My mechanic, has stumbled across a one owner from new, 1977 R reg SS50. Totally original, one owner from new, and with just over 6k on the clock. The last tax disc on it ran out in 1986! It's the five speed model, with drum brakes, so he, having done a bit of research, believes it to be a derestricted bike - he's not ridden it anywhere yet, as he's currently getting it ready for it's MOT, and giving it a service. So, given it is a runner, what's it worth with him just servicing it and getting an MOT - most of the chrome is ok, a few superficial rust spots on the tank / frame, but it's totally timewarp original as things stand, with a bit of surface rust on the can etc. The wheel rims / mudguards etc., are surprisingly good, given the owner had the presence of mind to coat most of it with Vaseline before laying it up. And... if as he's considering doing, he were to refurbish the whole thing, as in shotblast the frame / tank etc., get all the chrome refinished, replace all the graphics as they should be (even if it means getting them made especially), what is it then worth? TIA -- JackH CBR1000 - Micra 1.3 (K11) BOTAFOT #110 D.Bot (University Of Speed) - BOTAFOF #29 - GHPOTHUF #29
Not bad, not bad... Well, TOG's out at the moment and I don't have much of a clue about mopeds, but I just noticed that some people seem to be asking stupid money for really grotty ones. That aside - if the restoration is done properly, he'll spend *tons* more than he'll ever get for the bike so it's pointless if he just wants to do it in order to sell it on afterwards.
....and if it's in such good original condition, why spoil it and turn it into another restored bike? Nick
he's had the chrome priced up at around £200 - bar the handlebar mount rubbers, the rest of it is in amazing shape really. I was trying to nick it off him myself, earlier. Anyway... graphics aside, he does a lot of work and favours for a major bodyshop up the road, and they're grateful enough to want to do all the prepping and repainting of the frame / tank, free of charge. So all in all, given the time warp state of it (the pedal mechs all work, and it's *never* been up the road!), it's not in need of all that much - battery is on its way as we speak. Lucky bastard, was given the bike by a customer who just wanted it scrapped!
Sometime around Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:18:14 +0000, Frinton Boy babbled on about: Agreed, too many machines are being restored to a level that was seldom seen on the original production machine, I find a good original machine often more appealing than an over chromed lacquered version of the machine that left the production line.
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, JackH A 1977 SS50, that was used up until 1986, and it's never been up the road? I don't know how, or indeed why, but it's a fake. Has to be. -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets and Ducati Race Engineer. WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, SteveH Indeed. And I stand by my original statement. -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets and Ducati Race Engineer. WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"
I suppose you have a point. But I also know of a 1981 Honda Melody, in use until around 2000 that's still only showing 768 miles and has never been dropped. So, stranger things have happened.
You will note the original question was asked about the values of it as is, albeit fettled for the road, or fully restored... ;-) -- JackH CBR1000 - Micra 1.3 (K11) BOTAFOT #110 D.Bot (University Of Speed) - BOTAFOF #29 - GHPOTHUF #29
It isn't, honestly - bloke had it from new, hardly used it, then parked it up. If it's been up the road, it's hiding it *bloody* well - I'm normally pretty good at spotting when something has been patched up after an accident, and this looks spot on in that respect. I took some pictures of it in my mates workshop earlier... I'll try and host them somewhere soonish. -- JackH CBR1000 - Micra 1.3 (K11) BOTAFOT #110 D.Bot (University Of Speed) - BOTAFOF #29 - GHPOTHUF #29
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, JackH Oh FFS, can no one take a joke round here any more? It doesn't matter anyway, Fizzies were always faster. Especially purple ones. -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets and Ducati Race Engineer. WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"
More anecdotal evidence. I never had a Fizzie, but two of my schoolmates did, in 1976. Both had rich parents (by my standards anyway, rich enough to buy their sons these things while still at school which mine certainly weren't) but one richer than the other. The "poorer" had a second hand purple one which looked a bit scruffy. The other had a brand new yellow one, complete with disc brake. They raced one day and the purple one won. There was no question of greater idiocy on the part of the winning rider as they were both idiots (and 16 of course) and the race was on a straight road at a heady 50mph-ish. The yellow one's owner was well pissed off and it was "stolen" shortly afterwards. BTW as I recall back to those times nearly 30 years ago, it was a good job that the purple one was a bit scruffy. Its owner was a particularly good mate of mine so he let me have a go. It was the first time I'd ever ridden anything with an engine and I promptly dropped it due to a lack of appreciation of riding on gravel. But it didn't make any noticeable difference to it. Regards, Ian
Just tuned in from Bogota, as it were.... OK, first thing: if it has drum brakes it should be the four-speed model. The five-speed model got a cable front disc. This is most important, because the five-speeder was also quicker, and is worth more. I was offered a half-decent five-speeder at Kempton Park recently, for ukp550. I daresay I could have haggled. It really needed minor cosmetic attention and was all original and pretty good. A really good five-speeder might be worth a grand. They are worth much, much less than Fizzies. A concours job: ukp1500, possibly, but I have never sene one advertised whereas concours Fizzies are quite common now. The four speeder is probably worth at least 25% less; maybe 30% less. Oh, and the C70 stepthru top end bolts straight on ) Yes, they were unrestricted, but were obviously never as fast as the Fizzie which is why they were never as popular. The four-speeder struggled to get over 35mph. The five-speeder is good for 45mph.
