Paging the MX5 Poofs

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by SteveH, Mar 1, 2011.

  1. SteveH

    SteveH Guest

    The problem comes if you get a dizzy spell or angina - in a car, it will
    either pass or you'll be able to pull over. On a bike, you're likely to
    fall off.
     
    SteveH, Mar 1, 2011
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  2. SteveH

    Simon Wilson Guest

    I had that ear infection thing a couple of years ago I got a really
    dizzy spell while driving in the car - it was like being in a roller
    coaster. I pulled over and barfed up it was so bad. Gawd knows how
    horrible that would have been on the bike.
     
    Simon Wilson, Mar 1, 2011
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  3. SteveH

    SIRPip Guest

    Pfft. I grew up - as Pete obviously did - with cars without power
    steering. I swore against it, on the grounds it would rob the driver
    of that vital feel, that flickering lightness that precedes loss of
    traction. Then I drove some gawdawful Yank tank, that had pinkie-light
    power steering, that courtesy of its medieval worm and peg steering box
    arrangement was geared for manual, as it had about five turns
    lock-to-lock.

    That hardened my attitude, to an extent that driving towcars like the
    Triumph 2000 and Austin 1800 wouldn't shift, even though I had to use
    both hands on one side of the wheel to park the 1800 against the
    camber. No, I just developed biceps.

    Today's cars with PAS (pretty much all of them) have it sorted to a
    great degree: they retain feel (once you get used to it) while managing
    to be light enough for gurlie kiddies to manoeuvre. I wouldn't like to
    drive my Vectra without it.
    That's always exciting. My old Dad had a SAAB Turbo with semi-fucked
    PAS: one of the valves was shot and it was an 'orrible job to change
    the rack - but because we were used to POS with manual racks, we could
    cope with the heavy at parking speeds steering. The problem was that
    beyond a certain steering angle, the power would cut back in. This led
    to entertainment when turning right into a side road across traffic.

    As the gap appeared and without thinking and certainly without
    remembering, I'd hoof the throttle, there'd be a whine and a wheeze
    from under the bonnet and the thing would rocket forward, tightening
    the turn viciously as it went. Involuntary U-turns were not entirely
    absent from the menu.
    Great heel-and-toe practice, though: stand you in good stead with hill
    starts when the handbrake fucks up.

    My old XJ6 was vile to drive around town, because of the imbalance:
    PAS, light as a feather - power brakes, would stand on its nose with
    one toe - throttle, heavy and notchy - clutch needed both feet to hold
    it on the floor in traffic and the gearchange was Massey-Ferguson-like.
    When the fuel pump became unreliable and the engine would just die with
    no warning, all of a sudden the steering became impossible to turn and
    the brakes just went away, like putting your foot on a stone with about
    as much effect.

    Great practice for high-risk urban motorcycling, I realise now: I was
    always looking for the escape route, always planning what I'd do when I
    could hardly steer or slow the thing: even at walking pace, a couple of
    tons of steel has a lot of inertia. It did me over when parking one
    day. Blasted great barge of a car at the best of times, with invisible
    extremities. There was one space on the street where I wanted to be,
    between a car and a builder's skip. Went in nose-first and up the
    kerb, locked hard over to drop it back off the kerb and land it
    parallel, that always worked best. It died on me, with a front wheel
    on the pavement.

    After clearing the brown trouser moment, I went and tapped the fuel
    pump, as usual. Nothing. Come to think of it, no ignition lights
    either - no battery. The bump up the kerb had dislodged the battery
    and shorted out the +ve terminal against a steel strut, killing the
    whole thing. Fortunately, prying the battery off the strut and back
    onto its tray restored life and all was well - but a strange and
    unpleasant moment all the same.
    I never bothered, I was always to busy. Got rid of the thing after six
    months when the tax and MoT ran out and couldn't afford the four tyres
    it needed. Got more than I'd paid for it - there's one born every
    minute, thankfully.
     
    SIRPip, Mar 1, 2011
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  4. SteveH

    SIRPip Guest

    Or when you've just rebuilt one and got the torque settings a long way
    out - and you don't really know what you're doing. Learning curve -
    more like a hairpin!
     
    SIRPip, Mar 1, 2011
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  5. SteveH

    SIRPip Guest

    They'd call it 'drifting', these days. You come to the point where you
    want to straighten out and the thing wants to keep turning, so you
    proceed down the straight at a bit of an angle, until you can wrest
    your foot off the gas. Alternatively, with a very tight one, it can be
    difficult to get it to turn in at all, so you have to 'persuade' it a
    bit and unstick a tyre.
     
    SIRPip, Mar 1, 2011
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  6. SteveH

    SIRPip Guest

    BT,DT. Fortunately, my Alfa-engined and transmissioned Escort was
    never questioned. They were far too busy peering at the suspension.
     
    SIRPip, Mar 1, 2011
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  7. SteveH

    SIRPip Guest

    A man with your experience - I'm surprised, Champion. Brake 'banjo'
    fittings - because they look a tiny bit like the shape of a banjo,
    right? The diff housing in the middle of a RWD car's rear axle - that
    looks a bit like a banjo, too. Allegedly.
     
    SIRPip, Mar 1, 2011
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  8. SteveH

    SIRPip Guest

    I'd guess you're right. 'Park' is always a mechanical thing, it slips
    a pawl into the autobox somewhere, preventing rotation.
     
    SIRPip, Mar 1, 2011
    #48
  9. This will only happen if they haven't done their repair job properly. Now
    you should be fitter than you have been in years and if you are living
    life to their regime, getting fitter by the minute. You should be eating
    a low risk diet. You are taking drugs to thin your blood and reduce the
    risk of nasty clots in places you don't want them. All in all your risks
    should be about as low as they are going to be and certainly better than a
    week before the pains, so why not ride? Ace will be along in moment with
    his usual knee jerk response to say I am talking bollox but my experience
    is that other than bone doctors the medical profession has not got a
    fucking clue about the effects of motorcycling on your health good, bad or
    indifferent. Tell the cunts to put up or shut up and ride if you want.



    in a car, it will
     
    steve auvache, Mar 1, 2011
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  10. SteveH

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    What do you reckon the courts would say if you were involved in an
    accident in your car and it came out that your GP had advised you not
    to ride a motorbike? I'm guessing that you must have asked him if you
    were ok to ride a bike or he never would have considered the
    possibility but I would have avoided all mention of riding bikes or
    driving cars then nobody could accuse me of disregarding his advice.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Mar 1, 2011
    #50
  11. and nowhere near as fun to play.
     
    steve auvache, Mar 1, 2011
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  12. SteveH

    Hog Guest

    <thread swerve>
    On the subject of SOC

    When the new owner of my ex MR2 was handed the keys I pointed out the
    Immobiliser transponder. I told him it was a One and Only. Not to lose it.
    Ever. This being an imported 1993 Jap product. It could be OEM or it could
    be Jap Halfords retrofit. If it's OEM it could be almost impossible to
    circumvent.

    I just got A_Phonecall

    I wonder what he plans to buy next ;o)
     
    Hog, Mar 1, 2011
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  13. SteveH

    SteveH Guest

    He'd already asked the question about cars, and I'm just playing things
    safe.

    If he reckons it's advisable to stay off bikes until June, then that's
    what I'll do.
     
    SteveH, Mar 1, 2011
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  14. Actually, thinking about it there is one thing.

    I was given drugs which suppressed the conversion of nor adrenaline to
    adrenaline as part of my problems appear to be stress related. They
    worked but they did not actually stop adrenaline production, they merely
    slowed down the rate at which it happened. This led to some very
    interesting things happening while riding.

    I learnt from it that in the normal course of events that seemingly
    innocent events while out and about produced a strong fight/flight
    response without my even knowing about it. A car for example sticking
    it's bonnet out a foot at a junction. Which, under normal circumstances,
    would cause me to just move a little towards the centre of the road, bang
    it down one, nail the throttle and cover the brake. Perfectly normal
    everyday stuff which happens every half a mile and meat and drink to any
    experienced bik^H^H^Hmotorcyclist.

    Not with the drugs though.

    While my immediate external actions changed not one whit what happened
    inside was a different matter and I found that 10 seconds or so after the
    above occurring, when I was just chugging along with not a care in the
    world I would get a huge delayed adrenaline rush as the demands from my
    glands overtook the effects of the chemicals and everything kicked in, at
    totally the wrong time.

    Easily solved, after talking to the quack about the dangers of their
    stupid pills and his obvious lack of knowledge about the effects of their
    side effects we decided that as I wasn't going to stop riding it would be
    best if I stopped taking them so I did and I survived and I saved the NHS
    zillions and cost the fucking drug companies lost profits as a bonus.
     
    steve auvache, Mar 1, 2011
    #54
  15. I'd have thought that riding a bike would be the best thing to get you
    feeling OK again.

    If it doesn't, can I have the Alfa?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Mar 1, 2011
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  16. SteveH

    SteveH Guest

    Cane wants to sell my stuff on eBay - you want my Alfa.

    FFS, can't someone nearly die around here without the vultures circling
    over the scraps of their life?
     
    SteveH, Mar 1, 2011
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  17. On my old Rover 800, the power steering valve in the steering rack jammed
    hard a-port - left to its own devices, with the car stationary, the
    steering wheel would crank smoothly anti-clockwise. Luckily it broke
    while parked at home.

    I tried driving it up the road, purely as as an experiment. It was
    actually drivable in a straight line, if I held a steady bias on the
    wheel. Until, that is, I started smelling smoke. Parking it was hell:
    roll a bit, carefully shift grip hand over hand, then use both arms to
    wrestle the wheel round; roll a bit; select reverse, let the steering
    spin the other way, roll a bit, and so on. My arms ached the next day.

    After parking, I opened the bonnet, only to see the casing of the PAS
    pump smoking gently. I then made the mistake of touching it to see just
    how hot it really was: surprisingly I didn't leave my fingertips behind.
     
    PipL alter ego, Mar 1, 2011
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  18. SteveH

    Hog Guest

    No.
    HTH
     
    Hog, Mar 1, 2011
    #58
  19. <Takes plunge>

    What about Katie?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Mar 1, 2011
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  20. SteveH

    Pete Fisher Guest


    I'm trying to remember the first car I had with PAS, but failing, but
    then I didn't have anything very large until the Rekord Estate which I'm
    guessing had it.

    Part of my pleasure in my MX5 not having it, is that it's another thing
    that can't go wrong, which given an ageing mass produced car seems an
    advantage to me. No aircon either.

    It takes a bit of heaving on the wheel to get it in or out of a tight
    spot at walking pace, but at anything above that speed the seat of the
    pants directness is wonderful.


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    Pete Fisher, Mar 1, 2011
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