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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TOG@Toil, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. TOG@Toil

    TOG@Toil Guest

    My company has announced that henceforth we won't receive paper
    payslips. There will be electronic payslips, accessible by the
    intranet.

    If we want to save copies, we are forbidden to do so on company
    machines. We have to save them to our home pooters.

    On these slips will be name, DOB, NI number, payroll number, etc etc.
    The usual.

    It strikes me that moving payroll records security from behind the
    corporate system (which is pretty secure) and placing it in the hands
    of Vanilla Windoze operators is not a bright thing to do. Any
    compromised PC will yield some nice ID theft material. Company says
    the system is secure, and adds that secuirty of your own PC is your
    own responsibility. I'm saying that the company's own system is likely
    to be considerably more secure.

    Thoughts, anyone?
     
    TOG@Toil, Nov 19, 2009
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    Adrian Guest

    Print it out and keep the piece of paper.
     
    Adrian, Nov 19, 2009
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  3. TOG@Toil

    TOG@Toil Guest

    If you need to produce a payslip for whatever reason (mortgage, etc)
    will they accept something like that?
     
    TOG@Toil, Nov 19, 2009
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    Adrian Guest

    <shrug> Why not? What else is a "payslip" other than some toner stuck to
    a sheet of paper...
     
    Adrian, Nov 19, 2009
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    Mike White Guest

    Dunno. I'm not sure if your company can do this?
    Legally I suppose it depends on the definition of "written".

    From HR Revenue and Customs:

    "By law, every pay day you must give your employee a written record of pay
    and deductions, including:

    a.. 'gross pay' - before the deduction of tax or National Insurance
    contributions (NICs) and any other deductions
    b.. employee's Class 1 NICs deducted
    c.. tax deducted"

    Mike
     
    Mike White, Nov 19, 2009
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    Adrian Guest

    Of course.

    I've been emailed PDF payslips for years now. Sage et al have the ability
    to produce a payslip on pre-printed stationary or with the form itself
    printed by the app - and if you can send it to a printer, you can send it
    to a PDF.
    This is 2009.
    Written as opposed to verbal.
     
    Adrian, Nov 19, 2009
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    YTC#1 Guest


    You could have a good point there, Sun US did ePAYSLIP, but Sun UK could
    not, for "legal reasons".
     
    YTC#1, Nov 19, 2009
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    YTC#1 Guest

    Did your payslip go through the post ?
     
    YTC#1, Nov 19, 2009
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    Mike White Guest

    It seems that employees do have a right to a written paper payslip, if they
    insist.

    Mike
     
    Mike White, Nov 19, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    You can view but not save. Quote:

    "Please note that in order to help you protect your personal data
    staff are NOT permitted to save their ePayslips to any company network
    drive or local drive (this includes your work home drive, c-drive or
    desktop)"
    Doesn't say.
    Not a bad idea.
     
    TOG@Toil, Nov 19, 2009
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    TOG@Toil Guest

    No. Handed out on payday.
     
    TOG@Toil, Nov 19, 2009
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    Switters Guest

    "We're trying to help you from yourself".

    If you are viewing the payslip with your browser, where does the temporary
    cache reside? For 99.999% of people, that's on their local disc. So to
    strictly adhere to their requirements, you can't view the payslip using a
    work computer.
     
    Switters, Nov 19, 2009
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    Switters Guest

    Mine is simply a print out anyway, except it's done by the finance
    department. No headed paper. I could knock up a similar version in any
    word processing package and put in whatever values I liked.
     
    Switters, Nov 19, 2009
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    Adrian Guest

    So do many, many large businesses.
     
    Adrian, Nov 19, 2009
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    heh. I once met a guy who had started a company offering secure delivery
    of credit cards. Because the credit card co's had so many issues with
    normal post he managed to secure the business.

    Apparently, for the first collection he made from a certain company in
    Northampton, they just turned up in a bunch of cars and the credit cards
    were all just chucked into the boot.

    He obviously delivered them all ok because I got the impression that he
    had made rather a lot of money out of the venture.
     
    Simon Wilson, Nov 19, 2009
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    Beav Guest

    I wouldn't but it looks like you've not got a lot of choice. I even opted
    out of the NHS spine for the simple reason that thre's no such thing as a
    properly secure electronic database. If it's accessible to one, it can be
    accessed by others and not necessarily authorised folk either.
    Tell 'em to **** mop.


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    Beav

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    Beav, Nov 19, 2009
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    Timo at Work Guest

    Yes. I'd hazard a guess that it's got nowt whatsoever to do with
    security at all.

    If you don't save your payslips on your work computer, your nosey
    colleagues and the sysadmins can't find it while digging around for
    "interesting" stuff.
     
    Timo at Work, Nov 19, 2009
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Nah. I'm sure a verbal payslip, although somewhat long-winded, would
    be fine as long as it was written and not oral.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 19, 2009
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    Higgins Guest

    That's different as it's protected by his PIN number
     
    Higgins, Nov 19, 2009
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    boots Guest

    ^^^^^^^^^

    Arghhhh
     
    boots, Nov 19, 2009
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