Paging the diesel-engine-isti - long-ish.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Simon Wilson, Dec 19, 2009.

  1. Simon Wilson

    Simon Wilson Guest

    I've been playing about with a nice generator I got cheap, sold as
    spares or repairs. It's a 6kW 'silent' type with a Yanmar L100 engine.

    At some point it's been fuelled with petrol. The PO had fiddled with it
    a little and got it running, but in the end had bought a new one. He
    didn't do much as he was obviously not mechanically inclined.

    I started it up, loads of white smoke, backfiring flame every now and
    then[1]. Sniffed in the fuel tank, still smells of petrol, so I made
    sure it was completely empty then put fresh diesel in.

    I ran it for a while and after a little bit the backfiring reduced, as
    did the white smoke. Leaving it running a little longer and I notice
    sparks coming out of the exhaust, though most of the smoke has gone.
    Look a bit closer, and the whole exhaust is glowing red hot, right
    underneath the (plastic) fuel tank.

    Oops.

    So it's obviously still got a lot of unburnt fuel getting through. What
    say the FOAK - a valve? Rings? Something else?

    [1] making some really nice smoke rings
     
    Simon Wilson, Dec 19, 2009
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  2. Probably both and/or piston/s /bore. Fuel wash with the petrol has
    fucked it properly. Whether Yanmar spares are beneath the economical
    repair point for this model is yet to be found - not a clue, myself.
    It's up to you how much you want to spend on it, but I'd look for
    another good used one.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Dec 19, 2009
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  3. Simon Wilson

    crn Guest

    Very often this is just unburnt fuel which has accumulated in the exhaust
    with prolonged running at no load.
    First give it an oil change then hook it up to a couple of electric fires
    to give it a rated load and run it. If it will carry its rated load
    there will not be much wrong, give it an hour or so to clear the
    cobwebs.

    If it will not carry its rated load it is probable that the pump and/or
    injector have been damaged by misfuelling. They are easy enough to
    replace, have fun bleeding the air out.
     
    crn, Dec 19, 2009
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  4. Simon Wilson

    JackH Guest

    In older diesel powered cars, 'shit in the fuel' of a petrol nature
    normally equated to various seals in the fuel pump then letting go.

    Might be whatever this uses as a pump has the same problem.
     
    JackH, Dec 19, 2009
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    Krusty Guest

    You sure about that? A glowing exhaust could be a sign of running lean,
    which might be the case if the petrol wrecked a pump seal. I'd try
    partly blocking off the air intake to see if it improves things.
     
    Krusty, Dec 19, 2009
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    crn Guest

    Diesel engines do not run lean or rich as you understand those terms
    in petrol engines. They take a full deep breath of air every
    time[1] and compress it to get a high temperature which ignites the
    fuel. Only the amount of fuel injected changes.

    The exhaust will normally glow when the engine is working hard under
    load. If there is no load this could imply a fucked generator which
    will most likely start releasing the magic smoke after a few minutes.
    OTOH there are other reasons why the engine could be working hard.


    [1] Unless the air filter is blocked, which makes them smoke under load.
     
    crn, Dec 19, 2009
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Absolutely. In fact, a Diesel runs 'lean' by petrol standards even at
    full chat; trying to achieve anything like a stoichiometric ratio
    generally results in unacceptable amounts of smoke, though modern high
    pressure injection engines can get closer.

    Sounds as others have said like unburnt fuel in the exhaust. The fact
    that it starts at all from cold implies adequate compression; one
    tankful isn't going to **** the bores anyway.

    I'd guess that it's the injectors (poor atomization) or fuel pump
    (fucked seals somehow causing low injection pressure). This assumes
    that absolutely nonthing else has been done, like taking the pump
    apart to flush it.

    Also, petrol has a low cetane rating as someone here pointed out a few
    months ago, so it might just not want to ignite all the time but would
    improve as the engine warms up.
     
    Pip Luscher, Dec 19, 2009
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  8. Simon Wilson

    Simon Wilson Guest

    Indeed, but having started it again is still has lots of white smoke - I
    think the only reason it stops smoking is when the exhaust gets hot
    enough it ignites the unburnt fuel.
    I omitted the fact that I used a squirt of ez-start to get it going. I
    was looking for some kind of cold start device but gave up looking and
    just sprayed some in the air intake. So, it could be low compression.
    It really looks like nothing's been done apart from take the fuel lines off.
     
    Simon Wilson, Dec 19, 2009
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  9. Simon Wilson

    Simon Wilson Guest

    Oil change - good idea.
    Thanks. I haven't got around to checking the generator part yet. If that
    doesn't work then it's probably not worth spendng much on.
     
    Simon Wilson, Dec 19, 2009
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  10. Simon Wilson

    Simon Wilson Guest

    Yes I do need to watch the economics, though I think a working one is
    worth quite a few bob.
     
    Simon Wilson, Dec 19, 2009
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  11. Simon Wilson

    Simon Wilson Guest

    I've seen header pipes glowing red hot before, but never the tail end of
    the silencer, as in this case.
     
    Simon Wilson, Dec 19, 2009
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