Paging the brick experts

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Pete Fisher, Jan 15, 2011.

  1. Pete Fisher

    Pete Fisher Guest

    I've started demolishing the 9 inch solid brick walls that form the base
    to an ancient greenhouse. The plan is to put them in the skip we will be
    hiring for the remains of two ancient fireplaces (one built of
    'yorkstone' concrete blocks already down, one a cast concrete in situ
    tiled job that the installers will deal with).

    Bloody the bricks are hard. No frog and standard red colour surface, but
    the centres are like blue bricks. Each one is stamped H(W)T. The half
    inch layer of concrete on the top of the walls is the biggest problem to
    get it started, but a sledge hammer is working OK and I have plenty of
    time. Difficult to avoid breaking the bricks up though as the mortar
    used seems particularly hard (it was probably built in the 20's or
    30's). I'm assuming nobody is going to be interested in them for
    re-cycling even on freegle, but I thought I would check and be a bit
    more careful if anyone knows they are sought after for restoration work.

    Googling doesn't turn up anything relevant for "H(W)T" + brick though.

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    Pete Fisher, Jan 15, 2011
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  2. Engineering bricks, aren't they called?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 15, 2011
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  3. Pete Fisher

    TMack Guest

    Wot he said. Some types are "blue" but others have a conventional
    clay-coloured exterior. Used for extra strength but also where
    frost-resistance might be important.
     
    TMack, Jan 15, 2011
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  4. Pete Fisher

    Pete Fisher Guest

    That figures for a greenhouse I suppose. I had hoped that leaving it
    with the timber and glass removed for 6 months might allow the weather
    to soften it all up a bit. They've certainly resisted the frost. I think
    the top course have also been set in extra sodding hard resistant
    mortar. Oh well. I've made some inroads in to it this afternoon by
    attacking the weak points were there are gaps for greenhouse heater
    flues. Like working on a chain gang it is, but my time's my own and
    it'll get me fit. The lad can help when it's time to barrow the remains
    all the way from the bottom of the garden to load in to a skip at the
    front.


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    Pete Fisher, Jan 15, 2011
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  5. Pete Fisher

    TMack Guest

    Just be thankful it isn't reinforced concrete. I had an air-raid shelter
    in my garden that I think was probably built during the postwar period
    when anxiety about nuclear attack was at it height. It was about 8 foot by
    6 foot and was over 6 feet high. The walls were about 12 inches
    thick and so was the roof.

    Having failed to make any impression on it by conventional means I finally
    got rid of it when I had a back-garden makeover. It took 3 guys, working
    with a pneumatic drill and sledgehammers etc nearly 3 full days to
    demolish it completely.

    It was fascinating to see what it had been reinforced with. A wide range
    of metallic objects could be seen hanging out of chunks of concrete.
    Apart from some chunky iron bars it was also possible to identify a bed
    frame, a bicycle and some weird pipe-like thing with cooling fins (it
    didn't look like anything from an internal combustion engine).
     
    TMack, Jan 15, 2011
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  6. Pete Fisher

    wessie Guest

    they sound like the "Broadmoor Cinderford" bricks that were used on the
    extension & outbuilding on mum's old house in the Wye Valley. We recycled
    the ones from the pig cots to make a wall. They were very heavy, hard and
    black in the middle. These had a slight frog. I assumed as there were a
    coal mines next to the (still operating)[1] brick works that some of the
    slag found its way into the mix. Absolute bastards to break in half.
    not here http://www.penmorfa.com/bricks/index.html although you might want
    to check. Rare bricks can be worth a few bob.

    [1] http://www.penmorfa.com/bricks/coleford_brick.htm
     
    wessie, Jan 15, 2011
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  7. In the past I could have been accused of being something of a brick
    collector. As a result I have brick paths and little patches of hard
    standing everywhere made from bricks from a variety of sources.

    I also have a "stone pile" where uncleaned bricks and other stuff go
    before they become cleaned bricks and/or hardcore. The process of
    violently moving this pile around will, over time, separate most of the
    mortar from the brick and for those that don't there is always the
    pleasant summer's day spent with small lump hammer and bolster making it
    so.
     
    steve auvache, Jan 15, 2011
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  8. Pete Fisher

    Jim Guest

    If the bricks aren't coming away cleanly from the mortar then you can still
    sell the resulting rubble as "clean hardcore": people dump it in
    foundations or use it to improve tracks. Make sure there's no metal in it
    though.
     
    Jim, Jan 17, 2011
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  9. Pete Fisher

    Pete Fisher Guest

    I'll be retaining some of it myself for the base of the shed/workshop
    that will replace it. I never thought anyone would actually pay for it.
    There'll be a fair amount as it's a 9 inch solid 10 x 7 feet rectangle
    wall about 3 foot high. They would have to collect though, I'm not
    delivering - well no further than from the bottom of my garden to a skip
    at the front anyway.

    I'm hoping for a good hard frost after all the rain now I have removed
    most of the concrete cap layer. Cup of coffee just now and then out to
    have another swing at it - I may be some time.



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    Pete Fisher, Jan 17, 2011
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  10. Pete Fisher

    crn Guest

    Hire a Kango hammer for a day.
    Job done.
     
    crn, Jan 17, 2011
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  11. Pete Fisher

    Pete Fisher Guest

    My time is free, hiring isn't, and I don't want to spend all of any one
    day doing it. That will be the fall back strategy if I haven't got it
    down before the skip for the fireplace removal rubble arrives.

    Anyway, knocking seven bells out of things with a sledge hammer is good
    aerobic exercise and an outlet for pent up anger.

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    Pete Fisher, Jan 17, 2011
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  12. Pete Fisher

    Pete Fisher Guest

    Going better than expected. Perfected my swing with the sledge hammer
    and changed my strategy to attacking the bottom course on top of what
    seems to be a rudimentary DPC. Knock a couple of end on bricks out at
    the start of the run than ommer down and crack the rest off. A major
    breakthrough near the next corner when a large chunk came away in one go
    (good job I had 'toe-tectors' on.

    I now realise I can get rid of a lot of the resulting rubble in the new
    base. I may also leave the wall nearest the newer aluminium sectional
    greenhouse in place. A bit close for swinging a hammer or even using a
    kango, and I can slot the new shed in to place next to it, though that
    may be a bit tight for air circulation and getting to it to slosh on
    preservative.

    More than 50% of the whole structure down already. This old gimmer
    Charles Atlas rocks.


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    Pete Fisher, Jan 17, 2011
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