[QUOTE] In a topological sense and with a good dose of over-generalisation, you'd be right. However, when riding the A507, five miles along from Nigel's door, you would never believe it - or care about the "flatness". [/QUOTE] Ah. so it rolls as well as rocks then. I 'umbly stand corrected. Bet it can't compete with cumbrian scenerey on the rare occasions you can see it though ;-)