Whoever it might be - I lost track around the time when Mr Carmichael emigrated. I notice that [URL]http://www.wibbleypants.com/botafot/BOTAFOT.txt[/URL] is reported as having been last updated on 7th Oct - is there a newer list? Cos wherever it is, it needs updating again after today's ride - and thanks due to Oldbloke and Wizard for some good company. [URL]http://www.hemel.homeip.net/botafot/5bikes.jpg[/URL] attests to the bikes and the riders who did the prescribed route this very day - and yes, you are not mistaken, that really *is* a Gilera DNA and a Suzuki TS50 in the group, which I believe makes them the first mopeds to complete the BOTAFOT. Details of the new riders who, I believe, are now due numbers: Dodo (formerly known as Badger Cub#1) - Gilera DNA Youngbloke - TS50 Incidentally, the England's Rose was far more welcoming today than I remember it being last year, although the outbuilding that had been themed as the "bikers bar" now seems to be a posh restaurant, so a repeat visit to confirm the quality of bacon & egg sarnies is in order.