Paging electronic buffs

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by frag, Jan 25, 2008.

  1. frag

    frag Guest

    Had a wierd problem yesterday.

    I've just been setting up a new server PC.

    1 UPS to which PC, switch, wifi router are connected. Also one old TFT
    monitor, in half its case, screwed to shelf.

    This monitors PSU is dead. Not a problem, I ripped out dead PSU bits
    and added a simple cable which takes 12V DC. Dug out an ancient 12V 5A
    CB power supply, the old stylee transformer, cheapo reg/rect and big
    heatsink jobby. Tested in garage, fine, 14V DC output, bit of AC ripple
    but WGAF, it'll do.

    Plugged it into UPS and monitor.

    Turn monitor on.

    bzzzzzzz... but monitor works.

    Boot PC so monitor displays something.

    BZZZZZZZZZ!!!!

    <shrug> Its an ancient PSU, old transformers get noisy, it'll still
    work.

    2 mins later I smell burning and see smoke coming from PSU. Obviously
    turn off and unplug.



    Now, the (very) odd thing is that the mains cable was damn warm. The
    mains cable was connected to the UPS (which didn't bat an eyelid or get
    warm).

    I know the PSU didn't output the kind of power needed to heat up its
    mains cable, because if it had the little 12V supply cable I've put on
    it would have exploded.

    I know the monitor works.

    I know the PSU works (on a normal 240V supply).

    What the hell is going on between the UPS and PSU?

    On a UPS' output does earth come from a centre tapping of the output
    transformer, live one side and neutral the other? So if you short
    neutral to earth you effectively short out half the output transformer?

    Very worrying in that the fuse in the PSUs plug didn't blow (so the
    current must have been in neutral/earth) and the RCD in the house
    didn't trip, so the UPS must completly isolate its output, and any
    earth leakage current is hidden from the houses RCD.
     
    frag, Jan 25, 2008
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  2. frag

    frag Guest

    It wasn't just warm, it was "another minute and it would have melted"
    warm.

    Plus the 4 way extension that's plugged into the UPS and its cable (13A
    trimmed down to 1') was warm.
     
    frag, Jan 25, 2008
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