Paging David Bailey or the Photoisti

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    Mark Guest

    Mark, Aug 26, 2007
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    Dave Emerson Guest

    Dave Emerson, Aug 26, 2007
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Colin Irvine, Aug 26, 2007
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    Mark Guest

    Mark, Aug 26, 2007
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  5. You need to take account of the metering seeing the sky and setting the
    exposure for that, thereby underexposing the main subject. You just get
    to know what's likely to happen and the LCD on the back gives you an
    instant result, so you can correct for it.

    In those two pics you'd probably have needed to open up the aperture by
    a couple of stops - on the F5000 (assuming it's the same as the 7000)
    hold down the +/- Exposure Compensation button and turn the Command Dial
    until you get a +2 reading on the Exp Comp scale in the viewfinder.
    Remember to cancel it afterwards.

    For the group in front of the building, the quick and easy way is to
    sling the camera on manual, meter off the grass in the shade and take
    your shot. Takes 2 seconds.

    For the chopper, it's a question of being prepared - if you know you're
    going to be taking stuff in mid-air against a bright sky, you just set
    it up to compensate beforehand.

    Bear in mind you can do some post-processing but it never brings out the
    same quality as the originals would have had if exposed properly.
    --
    Dave
    GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

    Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
    river cleaned out in a day.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Aug 26, 2007
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    Dave H. Guest

    Looks like your camera's metering's set to average over the entire frame,
    see if the Fuji has a "Spot metering" option, if so then (if it's like a
    proper Chemical Camera[1]) you should be able to part-press the shutter
    button to lock the focus and exposure re the spot in the centre of the
    frame, then compose (eg put the 'chopper so it's approaching the centre of
    the image) and click the rest of the way - it'll white out the the sky
    though, as it'll be hideously overexposed, but that may be an advantage as
    you can adjust in Photoshop / equivalent or cut the white / bright areas and
    drop the remaining image over something else - helicopter rising out of the
    lav, perhaps?

    Both subjects in the pics you show are backlit, too, so they're inherently
    darker than their surroundings, but at the distances involved fill-in flash
    is going to require a small nuke... 10KT or so should do, airburst of
    course, as the colour spectrum of a ground-zero detonation will be way off.

    --
    Dave H.
    (The engineer formerly known as Homeless)

    "Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men" -
    Douglas Bader

    [1] at least, that's how the Pentaxes work, since about 1969...
     
    Dave H., Aug 26, 2007
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    Dave Emerson Guest

    That's better.

    The chopper is underexposed due to the brightness of the sky, similar with
    the house.

    You could try a few different options, depending on the capabilities of the
    camera:
    - set to "backlit image"
    - zoom in until the subject fills more of the frame, set "exposure lock"
    and zoom out again.
    - bracket the exposure (up/down) and see what works best - depending what
    you want to achieve.

    Alternatively you can tweak the image with PSP/Photoshop etc but there's a
    limit to what these can achieve if there's limited data in the dark areas.
     
    Dave Emerson, Aug 26, 2007
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    AW Guest

    Something really simple will help a lot with the example shots - shoot
    with the sun behind you.
     
    AW, Aug 26, 2007
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    Mark Guest

    Thanks to all. The chopper pic was already at full zoom so I guess it's
    experimenting with a few exposure stops and go from there.

    Mark
     
    Mark, Aug 26, 2007
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    M.Badger Guest

    Use a polari[sz]ing filter and/or a skylight filter to tone down the sky a
    bit. If the sky is important in landscape shots, maybe use a grad ND and
    meter for the foreground. If the sky isn't important, just meter for the
    foreground and let the sky wash out. A lot of cameras offer a meter lock
    facility for just this very purpose.
     
    M.Badger, Aug 26, 2007
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    Beav Guest

    Don't you think the shutter speed's a bit too fast for the helicopter shot?


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    Beav

    VN 750
    Zed 1000
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    Beav, Aug 26, 2007
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  12. All this technical stuff is fine but it doesn't matter how good you are
    if there is a lack of the aesthetic and there are much more photogenic
    helicopters around than that one.
     
    steve auvache, Aug 26, 2007
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    AW Guest


    Nah - egg beaters are supposed to be lumpy and ugly. They're only
    kept aloft by being repulsed by the ground.
     
    AW, Aug 27, 2007
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    cat Guest

    Where did you take the chopper pic then? I saw that in Cornwall, I
    recognise the playing card.
     
    cat, Aug 29, 2007
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