Cheers mate for the roof bars, now all i have to do is put me big ladders on it, tie a bucket to the end overhanging the rear window (with an obligitory squeegee poking out of it) and i can put me foot down and be the quickest window washer in the west PS, volvos fucking rock! -- Donegal Paul - On the mend Maico Letta 247cc - We have the technology. Zundapp Bella r203 - Watch out for ze Germans! Bajaj Chetak 125 - Wannabe Vespa Lambretta Li186 - stripped. Vespa T5 Millenium - intact www.thepilgrimssc.co.uk www.iowcaravans.co.uk