P-Plate Restrictions?

If I'm reading the aus.motorcycles FAQ correctly, the only restriction
that applies to a P plater after the first year, is a BAC of 0.00%?
The engine restriction and pillion capability both no longer apply
after a year?

Morgan Vening

 

I assume we're talking NSW here?

AFAIK in NSW, after 12 months on your Ps, you have to go to the RTA, and
APPLY for your open license. They charge you a little bit of cash, take your
picture, and then you have an unrestricted license. The 0.00 BAC still
applies if you have been licensed for less than 3 years or are under 21.

OK Zebee, correct my mistakes please.

 

I think you're getting confused with a car licence system. The moto system
works differently. After a year on your P's you automatically go to an open
licence (as long as you go to the RTA and renew it!). The 0.00% will still
apply if you've got less than 3 years experience and you're under 21 as
well. Apart from that, the world is your oyster!

Cam

 

In Victoria, you are correct.

 

Apologies to others, yes, I was referring to Victoria. Thanks for
that.

Morgan Vening

 

In Victoria P-plates have nothing to do with pillion or engine restrictions.
You must spend 3 years with a probationary licence (P-plate) for any vehicle
licence. This means 0.0 BAC and maybe a couple of other things.
The first year of your motorcycle licence has a pillion and engine size
restriction.
If you have done 3 years with a car licence you do not have to do a
probationary period on a new motorcycle licence.

 

A person that holds a full car license in Victoria is not required to display P plates, however for
the first year they are still restricted to no pillion passengers, 0.00% BAC and a sub 260cc
m/cycle.

 

Maybe it's an argument in semantics but the thing that restricts you to sub
260cc and no pilliion is the 'restricted licence'. Not the P-plate /
probationary licence.
You are allowed up to 0.05% BAC in the first year of your motorcycle licence
if you are not on a probationary licence.
i.e. a person who has driven a car for 3+ years is not on their 'p-plates'
or probationary licence when they get a motorcycle licence.
Not trying to be pedantic but I've had to explain this to people many times.

 

VicRider handbook says 0 BAC applies to those who hold a learner permit,
probationary or ristricted licence.

 

I just looked it up and you're right.
Has this changed in the last 6 years? I remember talking to my HART
instructor when I did my licence test and he told me that the only
restrictions in the first 12 months were engine size and pillion.
He said being up to 0.05 was legal but not recomended.

 

The 12 month restriction period has included a 0.00 BAC ever since they
introduced 0.00 BAC for probationary drivers.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

If you already hold a full drivers license than the restrictions
regarding alcohol for learners or probationary riders do not apply.
They only apply if you do not hold a full license.

 

No, you are wrong. The 0.00 BAC restriction applies for the first 12 months
that you hold a motorcycle licence regardless of what other licences you hold.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Not what we were told by the trainers.
Unless that law has been changed in the last 7 years if you hold a FULL
license then you are exempt from 0.00 BAC.
We asked him to check the regulations to be sure and he did.
So if the law has changed since then I am not wrong or i was given the
wrong advice from a trained professional who happens to hand out licenses.

 

Thanks Duncan that rule must have changed since I got my license.
Clears that up then.
Cheers.

 

That's what I thought but after Gavin's post I looked it up.
From www.vicroads.vic.gov.au:

"
(a) New Motorcycle Licence Holders
A person issued with a motor cycle licence for the first time will have the
following restrictions placed on their licence for 12 months from the date
the motorcycle licence is issued:
Must not ride a motorcycle with an engine capacity exceeding 260 cubic
centimetres
Must not ride a motorcycle while carrying a pillion passenger (a motorcycle
sidecar with a passenger is acceptable)
A full motorcycle licence holder must have a Blood Alcohol Content of .00%.
"

In reference to the original post these conditions are seperate to
probationary licence conditions.

 

In 1990 when I got my bike licence I had 0.00 BAC on the bike and 0.05 BAC in
the car because I had a full driver's licence. That was only a couple of
years after the 0.00 BAC was first introduced so I can't imagine they've
changed the law backwards and forwards 3 times in 20 years.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

I think that the instructors then should be given refresher courses in
the current laws because he was definitely giving out wrong information.
This was at the place in Moorabin.
I can't remember the name now.

 

This information is freely available on various government websites. I can't
imagine why you were answering the question based on your recollection of an
event from seven years ago.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

And being a teacher you'd think he'd know that research is key.