Oz Superbike School benefits

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Manning, Jan 18, 2004.

  1. Manning

    Manning Guest

    Well, I wasn't much of a rider to begin with, but after doing Oz Superbike
    School on Friday, I went to a track day at Eastern Creek today and lowered
    my personal best from 2:31 to 2:12.

    OK, so a factory ride doesn't seem likely anytime soon, but I was still damn
    happy. The $369 for ASBS was money well spent, IMHO.

    Manning
     
    Manning, Jan 18, 2004
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    Frogiswrong Guest

    ok that's a good improvement lap time wise. Did the course actually open
    your eyes to anything specific or obvious you can put you finger on?
     
    Frogiswrong, Jan 18, 2004
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  3. Manning

    Manning Guest

    Hell yeah!

    1 - Stop doing things. Eg: once the bike is leant over, leave it alone, you
    don't need to manhandle it (I thought corners had to be wrestled from start
    to finish). Also lots of other related handling ideas.
    2 - Respect the throttle - it's not an on-off switch, it's more like a
    violin bow that must be mastered to bring out the full range of
    possibilities (not that I've mastered it, but I've learnt to appreciate it
    much more).
    3 - You can shave a lot of time off your lap speed when off the track by
    using your head and making a plan.

    There's heaps more, and those aus.motians who've attended ASBS to higher
    levels can no doubt express it better. But that's some of what I got from
    ASBS.

    Manning
     
    Manning, Jan 18, 2004
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  4. Manning

    Frogiswrong Guest

    Sounds good. ill have to seriously consider doing it.
     
    Frogiswrong, Jan 18, 2004
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  5. Manning

    Biggus Guest

    Good to hear it was value..

    Better spent on that then performance mods, huggers, different
    underseat things, 4-1's, shit that people spend money on!
     
    Biggus, Jan 18, 2004
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    Bobby Guest

    What is ASBS?
     
    Bobby, Jan 18, 2004
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    Derek Guest

    A ustralian S uper B ike S chool
     
    Derek, Jan 19, 2004
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  8. Manning

    Smiling Bob Guest

    (Derek) wrote in
    Speaking 'o' superbike school, a few days ago, someone
    mentioned something about correcting the "oh shit I'm
    entering too fast, brake, wobble, blah" method of
    cornering by taking a "wide view" or "world view" and
    avoiding the tunnel vision thing.

    Would someone please elaborate on that a bit. I find
    myself using that cornering technique occasionally,
    and I'd really like to stop doing it!

    Thanks,

    Bob
     
    Smiling Bob, Jan 19, 2004
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  9. In a nutshell, rather than trying to scrub off substantial amounts of speed
    between entry and apex, if you find yourself going in too fast, simply tip
    in harder... a big element of that is forcing yourself (at least until you
    get used to it) to ignore the onrushing dropoff on the outside the corner,
    and consciously turning your head to look through the corner. Where your
    chin points, the bike'll follow.

    Also, the idea is to not just concentrate on the road. By taking note of
    everything in your field of vision on approach to a corner, you'll get a
    better idea of when to start scrubbing off speed, how thight the corner's
    likely to be... takes time.
     
    Intact Kneeslider, Jan 20, 2004
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  10. Kinda sounds like what I do. Get off the brakes, drop the thing on it's ear
    and hope for the best. Has worked so far...

    Aaron
    ZX6R
     
    Aaron & Kylie, Jan 20, 2004
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  11. Manning

    Biggus Guest

    In a nutshell, rather than trying to scrub off substantial amounts of speed between entry and apex, if you find yourself going in too fast, simply tip n harder...

    Also MINOR use of back brake can help pull the front around faster....
     
    Biggus, Jan 20, 2004
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  12. Manning

    Manning Guest

    speed between entry and apex, if you find yourself going in too fast, simply
    tip n harder...
    Yes, I have heard of this technique, but have yet to (*ahem*) master it. So
    far I've only managed to lock the rear, straightline turn-nine and go for a
    brief lawn jaunt (on 3 occasions no less). Haven't put the bike down at
    least.

    Manning
     
    Manning, Jan 20, 2004
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  13. Can I interest you in some tantric sex lessons now?

    Hammo
     
    Hamish Alker-Jones, Jan 20, 2004
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  14. Manning

    Biggus Guest

    First one free?
     
    Biggus, Jan 20, 2004
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  15. ....by actually kicking the back wheel out further.

    I seem to have found this only works if the bike's setup reasonably soft and
    without too much weight over the front wheel.

    For example, it used to work a treat on my heavy old ZX9, and this old ZX6 I
    got doesn't mind it, either, but my good ZX6, with the rear ride height
    wound up to max and the suspension set up really stiff to keep it level on
    the brakes and to get it oversteering on the gas, hates it. It used to be
    the same story on the R1, but, on that thing, I could barely get my foot to
    the rear brake level when hanging off the side through a corner, anyway, so
    it was somewhat academic.

    I'm very much of the slow-in, not-quite-as-slow-out school... lean, then
    breathe on the throttle to get the bike turning in towards the apex, then
    progressively wind it on between apex and exit, using the
    tipped-onto-its-nose geometry of the bike to get the thrust from the back
    wheel pushing the mass of the bike around... which is basically what sbk
    school teach, anyway.
     
    Intact Kneeslider, Jan 21, 2004
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  16. In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:27:53 +1100
    Hmm.. I wonder if that's why they didn't like my high corner speed
    habit. As none of my bikes have much in the way of either brakes or
    throttle, it's not slow-in, it's
    fast-as-you-can-get-away-with-which-isn't-much.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Jan 21, 2004
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  17. It's also a matter of suspension. A bike with a stiff setup and a high
    centre of gravity will understeer if you pile into a corner at speed, as
    well as baulk if you dial in lean and ask it to stay there, while a bike
    with a soft setup and a low CoG won't.
     
    Intact Kneeslider, Jan 21, 2004
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  18. Manning

    atec77 Guest

    I resemble that , way to fast in , way to fast out , sigh of relief as
    you make it.
     
    atec77, Jan 21, 2004
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  19. Not for this guy......

    Hammo
     
    Hamish Alker-Jones, Jan 21, 2004
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  20. Manning

    John Littler Guest

    Yeah that was me, probably the most important thing I got out of SBK school (and
    yeah I'm the only I know to say that- everyone else says level 1 - gotta be
    different I guess*)

    In short human eye is always "on" while your eyelids are open, but how much of
    the available vision you process depends on your situation and choice. When you
    are in danger your body focuses in on the danger and everything peripheral to
    that gets mentally blocked out - you only see the tiger about to pounce on you
    or whatever it was a couple of million years ago that created automatic survival
    response.

    Much of SBK school is about managing survival reactions (like not shutting the
    throttle at the wrong time).

    When you have tunnel vision on the corner appears to approach more quickly than
    when you have "wide screen" (which is what Brouggy calls it). This means you
    feel like you're approaching the corner more quickly and hence you overestimate
    your actual speed and hence your capability to cope with going through the
    corner at the speed. Because you feel like you're entering too fast survival
    reactions like tensing up tend to kick in and reduce your ability to get through
    the corner at that speed (self fulfilling prophecy)

    "wide screen" means allowing yourself to process and see everything in your
    field of vision from peripheral edge to edge. Focus on a point directly ahead of
    you, don't move your eyes and become aware of everything, scan from side to side
    without moving your eyes.

    The other benefit is that it's quicker to move your attention focus than it is
    to physically move your head or even your eyes, you can thus have a lot more
    information available about what's going on around you, constantly available. If
    you're processing that the car ahead of you is braking hard *at the same time*
    as noting that the parked car is pulling out into the left hand lane you can
    swap into the right lane instead of going oh shit gotta brake or dodge, dodge
    left, BANG, earth sky earth sky ambulance.

    JL
    * Level 1 for me mostly went "yeah Dad taught me that at 10, yeah Dad taught me
    that at 16, yeah dad....etc" and puzzled frowns while he deliberately misled the
    class into giving him the wrong answers which he then explained why they were
    wrong. It's probably why the old bugger is still reasonably quick even on his
    crappy old meriden trumpy.
     
    John Littler, Jan 21, 2004
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