Bought one of these yesterday to use on the Fazer. It has built-in bungees on the base - actually 2 but arranged in a cross shape on the underside of the bag giving four hooks. On the fazer there are 2 luggage hooks you can bungee to directly for the two rearward hooks but I am struggling to decide what to the front two to. Is it OK to run them under the seat/mudguard and basically hook them to each other - the only other way I can see to use them is to hook to the pillion footrest hangers but these really stretch (probably more than the 175% recommended max) the bungees. I guess I could get some longer ones if required. Then it comes with four more bungees which are supposed to be hooked one each to the four rings (one in each corner) of the tailpack. Again, seem to be a bit short of places to hook onto! Suggestions appreciated - and yes I had thought of getting a tank bag instead.. cheers -- jeremy '02 Fazer 600 in blue _______________________________________ jeremy at hireserve dot com
Can you hook them to the indicators? Could you run the spare ones under the seat? I have one trapped under the seat with the two hook ends dangling, so I can then hook them to the bag.
That's what I do when I use my Oxford) tank bag in tail pack mode. Seems stable enough although I do a fair bit of checking to make sure it's still there. Or even an Oxford tank tag with a tailpack conversion kit
In uk.rec.motorcycles, Jeremy amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom: IME the maximum stretch of a bungee is when you can't pull it any more and it's more like rope.
Jeremy wrote: Tailpacks are the spawn of Satan. Ask Ash, who got lobbed from his R1 when his fell into the back wheel. Yes, I know they're supposedly OK now, but I've seen too many bikes zooming along with tailpacks hanging off at 45 degrees to trust them.
In uk.rec.motorcycles, Bear amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom: I used to get that (not in the eye) when I had way too much in my topbox and needed a bungee to keep it closed. All it needed was to go over a pothole or slight but quick dip in the road and the bungee would ping off and smack me in the back of the lid
TOG@toil says... Maybe he should have attached it a bit better. I've seen the same, and very time I simply tell myself that anyone who can't be arsed to fit one properly is a fuckwit and deserves all they get. I've never had one slip on any of my bikes, but then I do go a little belt and braces with them.
In uk.rec.motorcycles, Bear amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom: Don't people sit down in Grenoble? I'd tell them you were dying for a shit but there were no toilets nearby I've done a quick fix and wrapped a couple of bungees round the rear of my bike to keep the box perched on the pillion seat. That went well until I hit the first big dip and the suspension compressed. Those bungees lasted less than an hour and I spent the rest of the day with a topbox being held to a Bandit by one bungee.
I've done several (tens of?) thousand miles with my Triumph tailpack, which has four built-in bungees. Basically, I've always tried to avoid looping them under the seat (just loop them back on themselves if they're not tight enough) and used at least two additional bungees anchored, preferably, to different mounting points, like the rear f/r hanger etc. This give much greater stability at speed and completely avoids the possibility of doing an Ash and getting it pulled under the mudgard onto the wheel. Ignore TOG, he know nahfink. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2 `\|/` `
So what everyone's saying is: don't rely on the supplied fastenings, but add a load more. Proves me point, dunnit? <fx: kicks can moodily and fucks off>
Yehbut. A bike isn't designed to have extra weight put on the tank but the pillion seat is supposed to have stuff, ie people, on it. I had a nasty experience with a large marrow in a tank bag that put me off tank bags for life.
S'not a question of wither/or though, is it. I had hard panniers on the trumpet but still used the tail pack. On the gixxer I have a tank back but likewise find the tailpack an excellent addition for those week-or-more trips, particularly when I've got to lug a laptop around as well. Only slightly. I agree that they _can_ be dangerous if not well fastened, and that I'd never rely on the fitted fasteners alone, but FFS I've been strapping stuff to the back of bikes on and off for nearly 30 years, so I reckon I know what I'm up to by now. -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2 `\|/` `
Ace wrote Kin newbies. Well, I have been balancing stuff on the cargo area for longer than yo. I still get nervous about it but it doesn't stop me any. It is fair to say that some bikes are better than others when it comes to breadth and roundness of the back end of the seat.
<snip> Is there not a CD-rom packed in the tailpack somewhere? If so, watch it and find out the best and recommended way to attach your Oxford product(s) safely and securely on the bike. If not, I've a spare you can have. -- Lesley CBR600FW SBS#11 (with oak-leaf cluster) BOTAFOT#101A UKRMHRC#12 BONY#54P BOB#18 Real burds don't take hormones, they rage naturally
Actually there is - I had read the pamphlet with fitting instructions and assumed the CD was just some marketing thing.... I have it in the garage somewhere - thanks for the tip! Are you on the French run next week? -- jeremy '02 Fazer 600 in blue _______________________________________ jeremy at hireserve dot com
Indeed I am, complete with my new tailpack ) -- Lesley CBR600FW SBS#11 (with oak-leaf cluster) BOTAFOT#101A UKRMHRC#12 BONY#54P BOB#18 Real burds don't take hormones, they rage naturally
Well that should make it wasy to spot you (assuming it hasn't fallen off by then). Then we can compare tailpack fixing techniques. -- jeremy '02 Fazer 600 in blue _______________________________________ jeremy at hireserve dot com
Might not be much help, but I was struggling with a pair of Oxford soft panniers on my VFR. Struggling to get a firm fixing low down at the number plate. I solved it with a material called 'All Round Band'. This is a flat thin steel strip which is easy to bend with your fingers and has holes pierced every 1" or so, with a wavey edges. It comes in galv or black plastic coated, comes in a 3m roll in two or three sizes. A strip of that pushed through between number plate and mud guard, bent round so it could not move, held the panniers perfectly.
