OT question about frogs in rice fields...

Awh, how cute. I know someone (Frog) who would love to have that.
Thanks, Don.
I'm grateful you didn't post that gawdawful "crazy frog", that pretends he's
on a crotch rocket.

--
Sunny Williams
sunny will at tx vets period org
IRPK, ISRA #7123, Deerslayers
Director/Webmaster for
Texas Veterans Assoc., Chapter 3
http://www.txvets.org/
"... if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place
shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor
defeat."

~Teddy Roosevelt

 

Oh yeah, I had almost forgotten about that one.
--


Don
RCOS# 7
If Hezbollah was to lay down their arms
there would be no war.
If the Israelis are to lay down their arms
there would be no Israel

2000 - Yamaha Venture Millenium Edition

 

The Google search you people suggested didn't bring up things that are
related to what I'm asking. None of you seem able to grasp that. dh@~


‘‘You people’’. What a smart ass. Texicans, son, Texicans. &
smile when ya' say that, pard.

'Ya'll take care'' --BJAY--

 

(RL)
``~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This guy is not looking for any kind of answer. He is just another
ignorant loser trying to stir people up. He is not even a good troll. I
would rank him at about a 1.5 to maybe a 2 on the ol 0 to 10 Troll
Meter. 0 being the lamest.
Jerry


Jerry;
Yeah, I know... but benefit of the doubt and all.
Btw, we had our club's quarterly meeting today. We got together and
rode. The weather was great. Didn't see any frogs though. <g> Sunny~




Not only that, but this feller could learn more about ''our unloved
deers'', than frogs, on a Texas Bike Group. I have never heard of a frog
getting in the way of a Biker, while cruisng along our beautiful Texas
biways.~

'Ya'll take care'' --BJAY--

 

Agreed, but that's not the question. "aras" cry about the fact that
livestock are killed, but don't want people to consider the fact that they
only *live* because they're raised for food. I point out that their lives
should be given as much or more consideration than their own deaths.
It's too much thinking for you.

Do you even know if there are cows on farms down there?

 

I certainly am.

The only reason I'm a "loser" in this case, is that none of you people
know anything about the area you live in. That's not my fault. As I said,
I was hoping to already have an answer by now. If someone asked
me if there are crickets in soy bean fields in our area for example, I could
damn sure tell them that there are and so could most other people. You
don't even have to go in the field looking for them...you can HEAR them
at night. If any of you had ever been within 1/4 mile of a rice field at night,
you should be able to tell that there are a bunch of frogs in it. It's not a
whole lot to expect that someone in one of these four groups has been
within a 1/4 mile of a rice field at night...or even that some people actually
enjoy hearing thousands of frogs calling from them. To me it's more
surprising that none of you have any damn clue about it.

If I were a troll I'd have posted something insulting about Texans in the
header, not just asked a simple honest question that I'm surprised to find
is more than you people can handle. Actually, before I encounterd you guys
I thought it would be common knowledge for Texans to have some
understanding of the area they live in. It seems absurd to think so now,
but at the time I was still hoping that unawareness of what's going on wasn't
a state wide characteristic, but instead just a characteristic of the particular
Texans I've encountered. Now I see that it is a Texas thing, possibly caused
by huge areas of nothingness seperating the population down there.

 

That's the question. I believe most of them have lives of positive value,
and that should be given as much or more consideration than their deaths.
"aras" freak out about it, because it suggests that providing decent Animal
Welfare for livestock could be considered ethically equivalent or superior
to their elimination, ie: "animal rights".

I'm not looking for an argument, though if you want to argue it I'd be
interested in seeing if you come up with the same "opposition" that the
"aras" do. I doubt you would though. In fact, you might not even be
able to think of any good argument against it. The "aras" can't think
of any good ones, but they damn sure try to argue none the less.

I got the idea before posting to begin with. My idea was that since people
around here ride motorcycles and go hunting on farms and in fields a lot,
they probably do that in Texas too. Apparently not. I guess you guys never
go "out in the country", but only ride road bikes and shoot in inside target
ranges or something. The rural areas in Texas did look bleak from the air,
and I guess they must actually be. I'm glad to live in a more varied and
interesting sort of environment, and can now better understand why the
people I've met who moved here from Texas, are glad that they did.

Right, which is why I was expecting someone in one of these four
ngs would be able to confirm that there are plenty of frogs in rice fields
there, and maybe even elaborate on it a bit.

 

ROTFLMAO... This goofy sumbitch is eat smooth up with Silly, isn't he ?

Bill Walker
Irving

 

<chuckle> I can't decide if this guy is a frog expert or a rice field
expert.. Nah.. he ain't no rice field "expert".. Everyone knows they are
not fields.. they are "rice paddies".. He sure as hell don't know anything
about Texas or Texans.. <grin>

Bill Walker
Irving

 

To me it's more surprising that you ask a question like that to NGs
pertaining to music, guns, motorcycles, and Texas Generals.

Why would you be so stupid as to not ask someone that can give you the
definitive answer?
Ask this guy:
http://www.texasricefestival.org/Content/Honorees/Pioneer_Farmer_of_the_Year

 

You can't prove it but what makes you think so, have you any idea?

I'll make it available to the "aras", but they'll want photographic evidence
or something too. The particular fool I've been arguing with will deny the
existence of the frogs, deny that frogs, tadpoles and eggs can be carried
into rice fields when they're flooded with creek or river water, and then
go on to explain how she believe the frogs she claims don't exist survive
when the fields are drained, and how she thinks these nonexistent frogs
get into the fields in ways other than with the water.

 

Nothing, but I couldn't find the Texas Frog Festival.

 

(Said this in part)~~~I thought it would be ===common knowledge for
Texans to have some understanding==== of the area they live in. It seems
absurd to think so now, but at the time I was still hoping ==that
unawareness== of what's going on wasn't a state wide characteristic, but
instead just ===a characteristic of the particular Texans I've
encountered.=== Now I see that it is a Texas thing, possibly caused by
huge areas of nothingness seperating the population down there. (by
dh@)


You keep sayin' down there? Where are you' staying at??
<g>
To me, frogs are not on my list of exciting things to share about our
Lone Star State with others. You wanna talk about good BarBQue,
catfish&hushpuppies, applePie, ,our unique Longhorns,deer hunting, dove
hunting, Texas History down around San Antonio, huntin' dogs, our dense
east Texas Pine trees, our numrous Lakes, and so 4th, do ya' git' the
point?
You mention above that =we people=, down here, are not aware of Texas
stuff, well how about my partial list of great Texas stuff above.
Impressive huh? (you come on down here and take a look, pard) Bring
that Camera, and we'll haul you around for some good pictures, Grin)
bjay

 

dh@ tries again to insult we, the people)
~~~I got the idea before posting to begin with. My idea was that since
people around ?here? ride motorcycles and go hunting on farms and in
fields a lot, they probably do that in Texas too. Apparently not. ==I
guess you guys never go "out in the country"====, but only ride road
bikes and shoot in inside target ranges or something. ===The rural areas
in Texas did look bleak from the air===, and I guess they must actually
be. I'm glad to live in a more varied and interesting sort of
environment, and can now ===better understand why the people I've met
who moved here from Texas, are glad that they did.====== dh@~




You ain't never met no real Texans up there in Yankee land, little dude.
(admit it) I could say the same thing about you Yankees, right? But, I
cannot. You know why? Cause all the Yankee dudes that do come down here,
become damn Yankees, because they stayed, shoot! <g>

 

Agreed, but that doesn't address my point. "aras" insist that we should
consider the fact that animals are killed *only!*. I say that we should give
their lives as much or more consideration than their deaths. It's not a hard
concept, but the "aras" are extremely opposed to the suggestion. So far
in about seven years of asking them, none of them have been able to
provide good reason why we should deliberately neglect to consider that
aspect of human influence on animals.

Would you agree that we should consider the animals lives--ie what the
animals gain from the arrangement--as well as their deaths? What's so hard
about that?

Thanks for the description. I'm glad it's not all as bleak as it appeared
to be...maybe it is in rice country though. Or maybe if there were rice
fields in your area you'd be able to tell us some detail about inhabiting
frogs, when no one else who's responded would have a clue. After all,
you're one of the few who have tried to be any help, but you don't live
in the rice zone.

There's also the draining of the fields and then the harvest. Frogs
which survive the draining are still killed in large number by the harvesters
imo, and those which survive the machinery are picked off by predators
because their shelter has been removed.

I tried that before asking here. Not much of it discusses the number
of frogs in rice fields, and what info does certainly isn't going to tell us
how many are killed. I did see some that pointed out how rice farming
is helping to build wildlife populations including frogs, but they don't tell
us about the number of frogs killed along with it, and they are referring
to systems which are specifically designed to help particular forms of
wildlife not the regular rice farming operation. However, the rice farmer
who shared his experiences that have the "aras" so upset did explain:

"- we manage the whole area (larger than just the farms) is a pretty
natural fashion and we have a lot of wildlife. the number of deaths is,
at least, partially a function of total area population. we could
reduce the number of visible deaths by flogging the ecology, but we
prefer life and cycle-of-life over a sterile monoculture.

- every farming environment has a different mix of animals and the
largest number and largest variety, both, will be found in
semi-tropical, mixed ecology lands like we have. monocultures will have
the smallest numbers and the smallest numbers of species. the numbers i
have presented hold true in the gulf-coastal plains for machine-farmed
organic rice and may well vary in california and arkansas." - diderot

but the "aras" refuse to believe things like that.

 

Hey BJay...you mean damn Yankees is two words....not one?

 

(Ted P.)
BJayKana wrote:

Hey BJay...you mean damn Yankees is two words....not one?




That's a goodun'. I forgot it is one word.
damnyankee, chuckle.

'Ya'll take care'' --BJAY--

 

I know plenty about the area I live in. I'm in Texas, and I know that
the nearest rice field is about 300 miles away. Do you assume Texas
Rice farmers frequent these groups in such numbers that you should have
had an answer in the 17 hour gap between your initial post and your
first snarky follow-up.

I could answer you about pine forests and river bottoms, but it would
be no more relevant than the cattle rancher from Abilene.

True. You're obviously a victim of inferior schooling, if you believe
that Texas and Texans are some homologous mass.

As a matter of fact, I've been within a few yards of rice fields at
night. At 70 mph with my windows up and the A/C blowing, I was
completely unaware of any frogs.

Kevin

 

In case y'all missed the transition, this was the point at which our
frog troll added alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian to the mix.

I'm sure folks on that group know a lot about the fauna of Texas rice
fields.

Kevin