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    wessie Guest

    Jimi Hendrix: Guitar Hero
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    Friday 24 September
    10:05pm - 11:35pm
    BBC4

    Forty years after Jimi Hendrix's death, no guitarist has come even close to
    matching his virtuosity. Preceded by a short Rock Shrines film of fan
    tributes, here's a celebration of his musicianship. It enlists a wide range
    of his contemporaries - Eric Clapton, Mick Taylor, Eric Burdon, longtime
    girlfriend Kathy Etchingham and his brother Leon, among others - to tell
    his story. It's a familiar tale of manager Chas Chandler spotting the
    guitarist/songwriter in New York and bringing him to Britain, the launch
    pad for a brief, incandescent career. But lesser-known nuggets include
    Micky Dolenz recalling the tour when Hendrix opened for the Monkees. It's
    all interspersed with concert footage, but never quite takes flight as the
    sounds and sights of Hendrix feel rationed.

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    wessie, Sep 24, 2010
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    malc Guest

    And Guitar Heroes at the BBC following that. Includes Santana, Mark
    Knopfler, John Martyn and someone I've never heard of

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    Malc

    Rusted and ropy.
    Dog-eared old copy.
    Vintage and classic,
    or just plain Jurassic:
    all words to describe me.
     
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    darsy Guest

    for once, we agree on guitar-related issues.

    He wasn't a patch on Jaco Pastorius.
     
    darsy, Sep 25, 2010
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    Veggie Dave Guest

    Ignoring the fact Jaco was a bass player, if you study his playing
    you'll find he had a selection of licks he loved to do, that sounded
    great, but not a lot else.

    I'm a fan but he was just a good, solid jazz bass player.

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    Veggie Dave
    http://www.iq18films.co.uk

    "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
    that Jesus was not born of a virgin." Cardinal Bellarmine
     
    Veggie Dave, Sep 25, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    Facebook yesterday, Google tomorrow.
     
    darsy, Sep 25, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    I wasn't.
    <fx: shocked and saddened>

    You'll be telling me next that Django Reinhardt was just a "good,
    solid gypsy-jazz guitar player"
     
    darsy, Sep 25, 2010
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    rick Guest

    I accept that Satriani, Vai, et al may be technically better guitarists but
    you have to consider how Hendrix compared to his contempories. He was
    *clearly* the most versatile guitarist of his generation. The technicians
    who followed merely developed what Hendrix invented.

    I'm not a particularly big fan of Hendrix but I'd far rather listen to
    anything by him than the preening, soulless crap spouted by Vai, Malmsteen,
    etc.
     
    rick, Sep 25, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    which is why I put in the attribution, as it is such a subjective topic.
    For me, some of JH's work was interesting but I'd rather listen to Albert
    King. However, King was still playing in his 60s and much of his best stuff
    was produced in middle age. Sadly, as with SRV, we never got to find out
    how JH would've developed.
     
    wessie, Sep 25, 2010
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    rick Guest

    'kin ell - you must be even older than me.

    Yeah, I hit my drug hazed adolescence a few years after Hendrix landed but I
    remember hearing Hey Joe when it came out so **** off grandad.
     
    rick, Sep 25, 2010
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    Thomas Guest

    Last week, my local rag did an article on him and invited comments. I
    wrote this:
    "I was in the army, stationed in Monterey in '67. I went to Monterey
    Pop and saw Hendrix's 1st concert in the States after his stint in
    England. It was mind-blowing. I, and many others there that night, had
    never heard anything like it. We'd heard about this American musician
    who had taken London by storm, but we hadn't heard any of his music
    yet. My jaw was hanging open and I was trying to figure out if what he
    was doing was really good, or just outlandish. When he played the
    National Anthem, I wondered whether to salute or not. The showmanship
    - masturbating the guitar between his legs and setting it on fire -
    was interesting, but the music was just amazing.
    After Monterey, I was stationed in West Berlin. I saw Hendrix again in
    the fall of 1970, a week or so before he died. He was just a shell of
    the performer he was at Monterey. It was a lousy performance and
    everybody knew it. He was just going through the motions. FWIW, at
    that same concert Canned Heat played before Hendrix. When CH took the
    stage, "Bear" Hite announced that Alan Wilson, their guitarist, had
    just OD'ed the day before. Canned Heat was a blues band, and I've
    never heard anyone play the blues with such emotion as those guys did
    that night. A few days later, Hendrix OD'ed. Strange days."

    As for virtuosity, that ain't the same as creativity, originality, and
    talent. I doubt that Hendrix himself would ever have claimed to be a
    virtuoso. Tommy Emmanuel is a virtuoso, but his music has no soul and
    no creativity.
     
    Thomas, Sep 25, 2010
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    Snowleopard Guest

    Snowleopard, Sep 25, 2010
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    Veggie Dave Guest

    I've known a number of widdly players of the Vai and Malmsteen ilk, not
    one of them could do Hendrix remotely like Hendrix. They're very
    mechanical and soulless in comparison - more like AI playing the
    correct notes without the human touch.

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    Veggie Dave
    http://www.iq18films.co.uk

    "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
    that Jesus was not born of a virgin." Cardinal Bellarmine
     
    Veggie Dave, Sep 25, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    the best Hendrix covers I've heard are SRV's versions of Little Wing &
    Voodoo Chile and Albert King's version of Red House
     
    wessie, Sep 25, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    darsy, Sep 26, 2010
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  15. Hamsters?
     
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    Snowleopard Guest

    It's not meant to *be* you.
     
    Snowleopard, Sep 26, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    <fx: looks sheepish>

    yeah, I realize now.
     
    darsy, Sep 26, 2010
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    Adrian Clark Guest

    Indeed, it's a ludicrous statement. Hendrix was a revolutionary
    musician and played a pivotal role in the history of music, but to
    concentrate on his supposed "virtuosity" is to miss the point. He was
    technically a very good rock player for the time, but there were other
    more accomplished players around. The magic of Hendrix was in the
    unique mix of elements, with his overall concept of sound, texture and
    composition (not least using the studio as a compositional tool) at
    the forefront. Focusing exclusively on any player's technical ability
    is always misleading.

    Oh, and when anyone starts going on about the supposed presence or
    lack of soul (or that other chestnut, "emotion") in a player, I
    usually click the "delete" button pretty quickly ;)


    adrian
     
    Adrian Clark, Sep 27, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    Well, some performers do seem to get a bit emotional. Whether that is
    necessary to give a good performance is a moot point. However, as far as
    emotion is concerned, some music, like other art forms, has the ability to
    provoke an emotional response from *me*. I see that as a good thing.
     
    wessie, Sep 27, 2010
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    Thomas Guest

    If you can't discern the difference between technical proficiency and
    emotion, soul, feeling or whatever you want to call it, you've got a
    lousy ear. A person can play the same piece two days in a row, hit all
    the right notes, yet it sounds completely different. One day he's on,
    the next he's just going through the motions. What do you call it?
     
    Thomas, Sep 27, 2010
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