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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by darsy, Oct 31, 2004.

  1. darsy

    Pete M Guest

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    You can get decent poke out of a 3.0 Essex with a bit of work. Nice and
    strong too. Better basic design than the lump in my Sierra, that's for
    sure.. just not so emissions friendly.

    Then again, the exhaust on mine's fucked at the moment, give it a decent bit
    of welly and it makes the eyes water...


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    Pete M

    Ford Capri (ressurection starts soon)
    Sierra V6 2.9 4x4 Twin Turbo Estate
    COSOC #5
    Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain
     
    Pete M, Nov 4, 2004
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  2. I thought he was dead!
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 4, 2004
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    platypus Guest

    Heh. "...greatly exaggerated."
     
    platypus, Nov 4, 2004
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    ogden Guest

    If you're achieving that power by bumping up the revs, sure.
    But my query is based on the assumption that Diesel makes more torque
    at the same revs, then by definition it makes more power at the same
    revs. [1]

    If the Diesel's making, say, 110bhp at 3000rpm, and the petrol engine's
    making the same power at 6000rpm, then there's twice as many bangs
    happening for the same power. So I guess what I'm actually asking is
    "does the Diesel use more fuel per cycle than its petrol equivalent,
    and if so how and why?"

    [1] (torque * revs) / 5250 = power
     
    ogden, Nov 5, 2004
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    Andy Hewitt Guest

    I must admit I've not looked fully into the science of it, but just
    observing the consumption figures I'm seeing in the real world. As
    Diesels have increased performance, their economy has certainly dropped.
    Conversely, modern petrol engines are getting better on economy, but
    their performance is falling. BHP in Petrol engines is certainly
    increasing, but the actual performance of the car is not. This is
    generally mostly to do the with increasing weight of the cars though,
    along with the weaker fuel mixtures used to meet emission regs.

    At the basic level though, all that's happening is simple energy
    conversion - carbohydrate and oxygen being burnt, the heat being
    converted into motion. Only so much energy can be obtained from a given
    amount of fuel.
     
    Andy Hewitt, Nov 6, 2004
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    jack hackett Guest

    But they invariably are, driven day to day, rather than being constantly
    thrashed.
    If you take both fuels, and continue to compare them by volume, diesel has
    approximately 11% more hydrocarbons per litre, than petrol, therefore it has
    11% more 'energy' to generate power with, per litre. So you inject less and
    can compress it at a higher rate than petrol, to get the equivalent energy
    force in return to force the piston back down.

    If fuel was sold by weight rather than by volume, they'd be on more level
    terms than they currently are with regards to bang per buck.
    That's not a rule - I have a Golf Mk3 TDi... more performance and more
    economy, than the Turbo Diesel and non Turbo ones they did at the same time,
    all of which are 1896cc, the main difference being mine is a direct
    injection, thus the extra power and economy over the other two models, is
    obtained because what fuel is injected into the engine, is burnt more
    efficiently.

    Part of it with mine, is it has a stonking amount of torque from about
    1400rpm upwards, whereas the more conventional diesels need revving harder
    and higher to get the same level of grunt flowing.
     
    jack hackett, Nov 6, 2004
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