One to watch- 350B

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Hog, May 16, 2006.

  1. Hog

    Lozzo Guest

    mb said...
    You're right. Someone's tried to make it look original by rounding off
    the bottom corners of the brackets, but it's missing the pressed out
    hole that's behind the forks and they've left the bracket too long.
     
    Lozzo, May 17, 2006
    #21
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  2. Oh, absolutely. Just that it does make power to those levels.
    Erm, well, for a 100cc bike, it's definitely quick. They'll hit 75 on a
    good day, which is 125 territory. Very tough and reliable, too.
    Erm, I've had two or three, as commuter hacks, and enjoyed them all. The
    wide gap between second and third is the only real fault with them. That
    and the 6v electrics, which really aren't bright enough. Oh, and it'd be
    nice to have had a front disc instead of a drum, although the brake
    works OK.

    One of the best bits is the fat seat and wide bars - for a small bike,
    it fits big fat fuckers like me.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 18, 2006
    #22
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  3. Hog

    Ace Guest

    s/learned/google-enabled

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    Ace, May 18, 2006
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  4. Hog

    Guest Guest

    ISTR a slightly belled curve rather than a very sharp peak, at least for
    the ones used in acoustic treatment.

    Guessing, if you built it for f(r) just outside the normal power band of
    the motor (on the low side), it *might* have the effect of flattening
    the curve somewhat, by increasing the power o/p below the 'natural'
    peak.

    Guessing again that the engineering back then would've been seriously
    hit'n'miss though, given the limited computing power available. The
    resonances of interconnected pipes are hellishly complicated: was
    intending to make smallest daughter a flute so read up on it recently
    (and gave up the idea fairly instantly).

    Still sounds snake-oil-ish.

    Regards,

    Simonm.
     
    Guest, May 18, 2006
    #24
  5. Hog

    Guest Guest

    Aha! That'll be the Helmholz resonator then...


    Regards,

    Simonm.
     
    Guest, May 18, 2006
    #25
  6. I've seen 'em advertised. Google?
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 18, 2006
    #26
  7. Hog

    Moon Badger Guest

    Not snake oil. Quite ingenious really. Carbs work both ways, so any mixture
    not taken in to the crank case stands a good chance of firing back through
    the carb, picking up more fuel, then it passes back again, picking up yet
    more fuel, leading to an over rich mixture and poor response especially at
    lowish engine speeds.

    By storing the ( spat back ) fuel/air in the bottle and releasing it as the
    piston ascends, you get a better mixture, thus throttle response. It would
    also allow for slightly wilder port timing.

    IIRC, the disc valved Kawasaki KH 100 was better at low revs and the Yamaha
    better at high. The Yamaha seemed more immediate on the throttle.

    My memories are a bit hazy. The last time I rode either was many years ago.
     
    Moon Badger, May 18, 2006
    #27
  8. Hog

    Pip Luscher Guest

    That's more of a piston-ported thing, really. The whole advantage of
    reed valves is that this can't happen.

    Piston ported engines do, as you say, tend to stammer and four-stroke
    a bit at low RPM.
     
    Pip Luscher, May 18, 2006
    #28
  9. on a CB100N (disgusting bike) I had once I converted the electrics to 8V
    nominal by adding another 2V battery in series with the exiting 6V. This
    gets you 60-odd watts from a 36W bulb... mind, it don't last long, about a
    month on average. If you could find a way of having a 7V nominal battery
    it'd be better.

    the theory was that the alternator on the CB100N would only put out 76W
    maximum, mind. But I expect that most alternators on small bikes are not a
    lot more powerful.

    If it's actually got a proper regulator, you'd have to rebuild that, I
    guess. The CB didn't, it had a cute system that only used 1/3 of the
    alternator coils when the headlamp was off, then cut in all 6 when you put
    the headlamp on.
     
    Austin Shackles, May 18, 2006
    #29
  10. That would work.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 18, 2006
    #30
  11. It won't. There'll be a fizz-pop and a little wisp of smoke. I'm afraid
    you're really stuck with the 6v system and its drawbacks.

    One tip that is worth taking up is to brighten the indicators by
    removing the lens and reflector, and putting Bacofoil in the casing,
    behind the bulb housing, then just replacing bulb and reflector.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 19, 2006
    #31
  12. Hog

    Pip Luscher Guest

    On Fri, 19 May 2006 07:29:39 +0100,
    That takes me back,. haven't done that in years. ISTR I used those
    little alloy cups that small cakes come in.
     
    Pip Luscher, May 19, 2006
    #32
  13. YMYA. on a Honda H100.

    6V indicator systems suck mightily.
     
    Austin Shackles, May 20, 2006
    #33
  14. Hog

    sweller Guest

    6v systems are OK but admittedly are affected more by corroded
    connections and the resultant voltage drops than 12v. IVR and all that.

    However, for retards that can't use google:
    http://www.norbsa02.freeuk.com/goffybulbs.htm
     
    sweller, May 20, 2006
    #34
  15. Hog

    sweller Guest

    "supply and demand"
     
    sweller, May 20, 2006
    #35
  16. Hog

    sweller Guest

    I think you may have a slightly shaky grasp of market economics but never
    mind.
     
    sweller, May 20, 2006
    #36
  17. Grimly Curmudgeon, May 20, 2006
    #37
  18. As the average halogen bulb costs about a tenner anyway, I don't think
    that's bad at all.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 21, 2006
    #38
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