One for the climate change sceptics

http://www.physorg.com/news183231158.html

Seawater in a vast and deep section of the northeastern Pacific Ocean
shows signs of increased acidity brought on by manmade carbon dioxide
in the atmosphere -- a phenomenon that carries with it far-reaching
ecological effects -- reports a team of researchers led by a
University of South Florida College of Marine Science chemist.


"It is now established from models that there is a strong possibility
that dissolved carbon dioxide in the ocean surface will double over
its pre-industrial value by the middle of this century, with
accompanying surface ocean pH decreases that are greater than those
experienced during the transition from ice ages to warm ages," Sabine
said. "The uptake of anthropogenic carbon dioxide by the ocean changes
the chemistry of the oceans and can potentially have significant
impacts on the biological systems in the upper oceans."

 

Would these models be the ones built on badly frigged data?

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

OK, so some obervational data...

and some pure speculation. Why these so-called scientists continue to
do such a poor job of maintaining the objectivity which should be at
the heart of scientific method is beyond me.

 

What an elegant phrase - "athropogenic carbon dioxide".

I remember the days when it was cutting edge to be monitoring SO2 and
smoke with a Dreschel bottle and a Whatmans filter paper.

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This is inflammatory wording designed to generate headlines. Fail.

 

Which models? Kate Moss, Cindy Crawford?

 

Eeh, I used to do that. Got me through one of the required research
modules, too.

We had all sorts of Heath Robinson stuff on the go then - yards of
windscreen washer tubing hanging out of office windows with inverted
funnels rammed in the ends to obviate sucking up rainwater, enormous
flattened funnels coated with Vaseline to collect particulates, that
sort of thing. And the protective clothing, which was kept in a
special box in the basement against having to investigate an outbreak
of Lassa Fever or Green Monkey Disease consisted of an old blue
boilersuit, a pair of rubber galoshes and a beret, ffs.

 

"Jumpers for goal posts".

One of the first computer programs are ever wrote (on a ZX80) was to do
the calculations of SO2 and Smoke from the titration and reflectometer
readings and calculate means automagically, instead of looking them up
in the warren Springs conversion tables and grinding out calcs.

Now it's all real time analysers, emissions databases and modelling.

As to the special box, it's still seems the policy that EHOs are
expendable - particularly the students.

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My point exactly

 

Thank **** I won't be here by the middle of the century.

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Because if they argue aianst the mainstream, they lose funding.

If *anything* in with world didn't come right back to money, things might be
different, but.....


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I need to stop speed reading - I thought that said
"brought on by marmalade"
to start with....

Steve

 

I'm thinking atmospheric CO2 is above double "pre-industrial" and that
dissolved CO2 in marine systems shows a considerable concentration
range... I wonder which one he'll pick for his model....

It's certainly an interesting idea but not original. Doh, you bubble
higher than ambient CO2 into water and the pH will decrease. How this
changes the biology of oceans was something close to my heart long
time ago. The physical oceanographers could not make up their minds as
to how long it would take for the oceans to act as a sink for
atmospheric CO2 and what it's capacity would be. Clearly it would not
look to good for calcifiers but hey with all the CO2 in the water
wasting energy on bicarbonate would be a thing of the past and the
fast movers would still be fast movers, just different ones.
Anyway the idea of pH in seawater is such a strange idea, he's
probably still trying to decide which clique he in....

Hj

 

One day the excess of CO2 is a greenhouse gas making the temperature on
earth rise and warming up the oceans so that they (the oceans) will
release the CO2 absorbed by seawater because warm water holds less CO2
than cold water, next day the sea is increasing in acidity because of
the increasing levels of CO2 absorbed by seawater.

I wish they could decide which disaster they are going to frighten the
great unwashed with this year and stick to it. Changing tacks too often
just confuses Joe Public.

Vroooom

 

Yes, that's something of a nail-head interface.

But they _could_ actually enhance their fundability by simply avoiding
wooly-worded conclusions like this. Saying, for instance, that 'the
data would support the hypothesis that..." would lose nothing from the
message they're trying to push, while leaving so much less for the
septics to jump on and avoid discussing the real issues.

 

You smug git. A ZX80, be damned.

Expendability did occur to me, especially when I'd been detailed to
extract the seawater samples for bathing beach analysis: "beyond the
third wave", they said. On a gently shelving, sandy beach at low-ish
water, that's a /long/ way out, you know. "Oh, and don't bother just
wearing wellies or rolling yer trouser legs up, either. Waders or
trunks, sonny". Waders, trunks and woolly pully in fucking February in
the North Sea.

Misreading the tide tables was a frequent source of panic, too - to get
it wrong and get caught in a rising tide when filling the blasted
bottles and taking your eye off the horizon and the tide line was
asking for trouble in freezing, waist-deep water that's running
quickly. Falling over in those circs, with waders on was a swift trip
to trunk-soiling perdition, floating about in the third bloody wave,
flailing about trying to keep an airway open to the air, divest the
bloody waders and not die, all at the same time was a bit of a trial.

Expendability also became obvious on the "run these up to the lab in
Newcastle" trip: in the Council's own Bedford Beagle. 1159cc of
underpowered, undergeared shiteness - quickish off the lights, out of
chuff by 30 mph because you /had/ to have third gear by then. One of
the other lads got caught in Gateshead, where three lanes become two
across the other side of the lights: wheelnut marks in a sort of
Spirograph pattern down /both sides/ of the van, having been trapped
between a bus and a truck. His very short life flashed before him,
apparently - he was a changed bloke after that - he even bought a round
that Friday.

Student abuse - I bet that's a dead art.

 

I always enjoy Pip's contribution.

You should publish a book of short stories about your experiences.

I'd buy one!

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Pip

Bloody Hell, my dad had one of them!

Ex-police dog van, it was.

Smelt like it, too...

 

Shirly you mean Torrent a copy

 

Have you ever had a *normal* job?

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