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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Hog, Dec 11, 2003.

  1. Hog

    Champ Guest

    butbutbut "information wants to be free"
    Exactly
     
    Champ, Jan 2, 2004
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    Bastards turned me down for a job when I left Lucent. And they took a
    numpty guy I worked with who was utterly useless. So in a way I hope
    they crash and burn.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jan 2, 2004
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    Champ Guest

    <snip explanation of interconnection costs>

    Ta for that
    "Opex" = 'operating expenses'? Is this staff, buildings, etc?
    Yeah, being in a related sort of business, I should have thought about
    that harder. We need a certiain minimum amount of infrastructure to
    offer any sort of service at all - the cost of this is fixed, whether
    it's used by 1 or 1000 customers. However, beyond this base level,
    you need to add kit to support more customers, so it is obviously
    possible to calculate the marginal cost.
     
    Champ, Jan 2, 2004
  4. Hog

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Oh. All my players are multi-region, so I have no need to retain these
    trivial facts in my cranium.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jan 2, 2004
  5. Power, building costs, maintenance, interconnection charges, services
    bought in[1], interest on equipment costs[2].

    [1] Transmission from other Telcos springs to mind here.
    [2] Assuming that expensive hardware hasn't been bought outright[3]
    [3] IIRC the majority of Oranges BTS were on a long term lease from
    various banks.


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    Boots Blakeley, Jan 2, 2004
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    deadmail Guest

    Yes, all the stuff it costs to run the business that isn't actually
    capital expenditure.

    IME businesses like things to be Capex rather than Opex since Capex
    can be depreciated over several years so putting a cost down as capex
    means that on a P&L basis it only costs you some portion of its capital
    value over any one financial year; thus making your end of year figures
    look better.

    I think Enron had been putting vast swathes of Opex items in as Capex to
    fiddle their books.

    Personally I think the whole Capex/Opex split is a horrible accounting
    instrument and it encourages poor business practises since surely cash
    flow is what counts. I'm not an accountant so I don't understand.
     
    deadmail, Jan 2, 2004
  7. Hog

    deadmail Guest

    Well I was doing an identical job (to the one advertised) for one of
    their competitors at the time and they wouldn't even interview me for
    their vacancy. Strange that, in their position I'd have interviewed me
    even if I had no plans to employ me to get a clue about what my
    competitors were up to. Then again, maybe the person doing the
    interviewing knew me.
     
    deadmail, Jan 2, 2004
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    Statto Guest

    I couldn't remember what region number is allocated to Merkania, so
    had to check.
     
    Statto, Jan 2, 2004
  9. Hog

    deadmail Guest

    Exactly what?

    You could guess which frequencies are used based on the data on
    underwater propogation?

    You could calculate the antenna size given a frequency of operation?

    I thought Mick's point was that someone gave an antenna length of 1.5km
    and based on this and the public data on radio propogation in sea water
    you could calculate the frequencies employed.
     
    deadmail, Jan 2, 2004
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    Champ Guest

    That pretty much everything that's meant to be classified is available
    one way or another.
     
    Champ, Jan 2, 2004
  11. Hog

    deadmail Guest

    I think at some point Orange sold their network under a leaseback
    arrangement.
     
    deadmail, Jan 2, 2004
  12. Hog

    tallbloke Guest

    (The Older Gentleman) spouted the
    following in
    Faction? Looks a bit shade of greyish in a world of facts dunnit.

    The Japanese Ambassador was kept waiting in the ante room while the
    Enola Gay flew across the pacific FYI. He hadn't gone there to dictate
    terms.

    Hog has already provided the numbers of civilian casualties that
    accounted and continues to account for.

    Personally, I take the 'facts' provided to us by our military uberlords
    with a large dose of NaCl. 'Lost' ships logs and all.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 2, 2004
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    Champ Guest

    Me neither, but you onviously understand a lot more about it than me.
     
    Champ, Jan 2, 2004
  14. For this thread, the track you should be thinking of is:

    "On the turning away"

    and the quote is:

    "We could find that we're all alone,
    In the dream of the proud"

    E minor is about the best key for any Gilmour solo.

    Its that bend up from a perfect fourth below the E on the 6th string,
    12 fret.

    Check it on Sorrow, the last track on "A Momentary Lapse of Reason"

    And with it my all time favourite Floyd line:

    "And the silence that speaks so much louder than words,
    Of promises broken."


    --
    Steve Uzochukwu, Avian Amour and Windtech Quarx.
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    ***************************************************************
     
    Steve Uzochukwu, Jan 2, 2004
  15. Hog

    tallbloke Guest

    And known to be so, when the claim was made.
    [/QUOTE]

    That's still refuted by Hoon isn't it? Or did he successfully sidestep
    having to make a categorical statement on that through the sideshow of
    throwing the weapons expert to the media dogs.

    Oh hang on, he's still in denial about that too isn't he.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 2, 2004
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    deadmail Guest

    You know, I've never really thought much of any Floyd after The Wall.

    I really should make an effort to listen to more.
     
    deadmail, Jan 2, 2004
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    sweller Guest

    I've not, really, listened to anything post Barrett. Do I want to?
     
    sweller, Jan 2, 2004
  18. Hog

    Champ Guest

    Well, this has been explained to me properly elsewhere. My (poor)
    poing was that none of those things above affect an individual call
    I doubt you'd base your pricing on the maximum you're network could
    handle. But say N was 50% of your network capacityl; my question was,
    "what's the additional cost for N+1 calls over N calls".

    But no need to continue, I see that my question was fairly meaningless
    now.
     
    Champ, Jan 2, 2004
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    deadmail Guest

    The important thing to note is when businesses start focussing on
    putting things into Capex instead of Opex that times will start to get
    tougher for employees. IME.
     
    deadmail, Jan 2, 2004
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    Dan White Guest

    Did you really expect it to be anything other than "Number 1"...?
     
    Dan White, Jan 2, 2004
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