One for Des

Or, in this case, not allowing any group of pupils to enforce its
religious symbolism on anyone else.

 

Ah of course.....talk about trolling....

So what you're suggesting that the whole diversity of religions will go away
as soon as the pupils in schools are denied their right to pratice their
beliefs?

Please tell me what you're on, I'd like to avoid it.

 

Yeah, Hog's really getting the hang of it, isn't he?

 

dixit Cab:

because christians rarely have, and are not required by their religion to
wear, overt religious symbols. this is simply an agenda to further
marginalise french arabs.

i haven't seen any proposals to ban nuns and priests from teaching in public
schools, for instance.

i agree with hog that secularism is in the doctrine. discriminating against
people based on what clothes they wear or what religion they have is no
better than discriminating against them on the basis of their skin colour.

we're not talking about the church interfering with their education. unless
you're claiming that you can't learn as well with a scarf on your head? the
issue is, in fact, the government interfering with children's education, by
saying that if they don't renounce their religion or culture, they're not
allowed to be educated.

wrong. look at british schools. you don't get any more bullying for wearing
a turban than you do for any other reason that bullying occurs. and when
those children grow up, they're then used to seeing people express their
religious and cultural beliefs. the proposal to sweep all that under the
carpet during the children's most formative years will just result in adults
who are ignorant and even more intolerant of different religions and
cultures than they are currently. racism is worse in france than it is in
the uk, and this will make it worse, not better.

 

Hog was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:

They're about 10 years behind the times in a certain sense - that's
roughly how long a court battle in Germany has been going on between
the State and a primary school teacher who happens to be a devout
muslim...

 

Then I suggest you read the paragraph I wrote *after* this one again.....

....and you, too, Hog

Dave

 

<snip>

You're some sort of left-footer, aren't you, Des?

 

Except that publicly stating your belief in these situations *could* be
construed as an unwillingness to view any belief that is different to that
of your religion to be incorrect prior to any argument being posed

<Showing personal prejudice>
Most of which (the religions) have, as their foundations, prejudices which
could be 'argued' to the detriment of those of other religions

This is probably one of the few times where I agree with the septic view and
if you want religious symbolism in schools then take it out of the state
system [1]

Dave

[1] This does not preclude secular religious education, just religious
symbolism

 

I'm pretty ambivalent about church so I can pass a reasonably unbiased
judgement

 

I kinda expected better from you. This is a head of state trying to
legislate about what people want to wear. Think about it. Where does that
lead.

 

No I'm not bloody trolling really. I just said it up there but I'll repeat
it:
This is a head of state trying to
legislate about what people want to wear. Think about it. Where does that
lead.
He is not saying *you cannot practice your religion*, it's simply a concern
about the colour of their socks.
Monty Python couldn't do better

 

What about fashionable girls wearing Hermes scarves.

 

Tony Blair wearing Vans?

 

There are millions of muslim women who would stone you for that piece of
narrow minded projection, it's just not true. Malay women at Strathclyde Uni
(MBA class) continued to cover their heads, even veil. They like it that way
and they don't like being letched at by people like me.

 

Hog said:

I'll think you'll find that most of them aren't Muslims - they just
don't like you.

 

Err, something about Scottish religious horrors.

 

Simes and Hog in ukrm "most undesirable male" competition shock horror!

 

The Older Gentleman said:

Ahem...

From almost anyone else that comment would result in a death threat...
From you I'm at a loss for words... Did you not know that as you have
won that title for the last 5 years, they've stopped the competition
now?

 

The upper class might disagree with you there

 

They were but I didn't manage to shag any of them. Those bitches from
Singapore were worse though.