One for Des

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=114765&p=57&c=&g=72

 

Best television series made, IMHO.

'Tis - Amazon. I have it on VHS. Some of the eyewitness testimony is
still incredibly moving.

 

Or any view at all; even though it appears they were responsible in part
for the loss of life of those on the Sheffield. Your claim was that
your views weren't politically motivated (or more accurately motivated
by a desire to bash Thatcher and the Tories) but were motivated by a
deep sadness at the loss of human life; I paraphrase but I believe it's
pretty accurate.

Why then do you seem to have no symptathy for the British sailers that
were lost?

Yes, it was Iraq and of course the statement was relative. That's why I
used the term "more despicable" since neither Iran or Iraq were 'nice'
regimes but my memory of the media was that it Iran was painted as being
an awful place. This was reinforced by my discussions with several
people I was at college with about Iran (Iranian people who couldn't /
wouldn't go back to Iran); of course they probably had their own agenda.

It's true the Americans (and the British as well as many other
countries) backed Iraq during the Iran Iraq war... of 20 or so years ago
and then moved on to attack Iraq in the 90s and 2003. But... maybe Iraq
also changed? I think that the motivation for the war appears to be
'plunder' from the American side and that the British side was more
about buttressing the relationship with America. I do, however, note
that Iran hasn't been rehabilitated and was mentioned on the "axis of
evil"

Anyway, Iran/Iraq wasn't the point of this sub-thread, was it really.

And yet again your class bias rises "Henry at OxBridge".

And you're still not responding.

You seem to abhor the arms trade, those with money and the British
Government and state.

Oh, I don't think so.

I don't see any attempt at psycho-analysis. I've given you my
perception of your motivation. My perception, I've not said it's what
motivated you it's quite explicit on that point.

 

Come on then give me some proof of it happening.

 

An interesting[1] case is "3" in the UK. They're failing to meet their
business plan and have cut their tariffs further and further. It's my
opinion that they cannot make money out of their current tarrifs and
that every call carried loses them money.

They have had some shareholders showing reluctance to continue sinking
money into them (KPN) but their majority shareholder (Hutchison Whampoa)
is still pouring money in.

I wish them well but suspect that 'face' is possibly the motivator here
for Li Ka-Shing (owner of Hutchison Whampoa).

I suspect the resolution will come when Hutchison buy O2 and merge the 3
operation with O2. Well it'll sort out the UK, I don't know about
Australia or Italy or any of the other terittories.


[1] Well interesting for some small value...

 

Why's that naughty?

 

Is there a marginal cost for a phone call? I'd have thought that
everything required to make a call work is infrastructure, and once
it's in place the marginal cost is zero.

 

Hmm. 120 quid, mind. And 34 hours. Not sure I can afford the time
or the money. Would be wonderful to have on the shelf, all the same

 

I thought they had four in total but only one of these was actually
working.

 

Further to reply to Statto - amazon.co.uk has it at 66 quid. But
that's listed as Region 0 - what does that mean?

 

It's escort were armed with Exocets.

It was very important that the carrier stayed in port. It didn't matter
it was 50 years old, the aircraft weren't. A local carrier would have
completely changed the theatre of operation. If it came out of port we
would have to have sunk it.

 

It's region free and will play on any DVD player, regardless of where
in the (DVD) world you are.

 

The frequencies are classified, but on the other hand by using available
data on the propagation of VLF & ULF through sea water the average guy
could calculate them.

 

Libya was not close to making an A bomb as we were told by the
wunderkind who negotiated the unlimited access for inspections. Hans
Blick (sp?) the UN weapons inspector was already in there and said they
were only just scratching at it.

 

There's always the collector's edition, which is 32 hours.

 

Yank. Need multi-region player.

 

Of course, I meant Invincible, didn't I?

 

Yank is region 1. Any DVD player should be able to play region 0
disks.

 

I should have been more explicit, it's interconnection costs and
payments when 3 don't have coverage.

A large percentage of calls are likely to be made to landlines, the
terminating network will charge three for these.

Since 3 have a small share of the market their customers will be making
a higher percentage of their calls to other networks (assumption).

Since 3 rely on O2 to provide coverage where they don't have 3 coverage
they need to pay O2 for every call made.

So, assuming that someone takes up their current 500 minutes for 25 quid
offer, that 5p per minute has to cover the cost to O2 and the cost from
the terminating network. I don't believe this is possible.

Regarding the argument about marginal cost, this isn't quite true.

You need a certain amount of equipment in place to allow a network to
function. You then add additional equipment to give the capacity you
need.

This equipment has a given working life and needs to be depreciated, the
depreciation is done over time of course, but one could estimate the
amount of traffic carried over the working life and hence get a price
per minute of what the network equipment cost.

The same could be done with the companies Opex; giving a 'cost' per
minute carried.

Combining the network equipment depreciation and Opex figures would give
a cost per minute for making calls. Of course this is probably full of
accounting holes but you get the picture.

 

Salad Dodger wrote:

Thanks, mate. I now know stuff.