One for Des

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Hog, Dec 11, 2003.

  1. Hog

    Cab Guest

    Cab, Dec 11, 2003
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    Hog Guest

    Well I think it's a short step away from dictating that all schoolgirls
    should have to wear short skirts, thongs and sussies....
     
    Hog, Dec 11, 2003
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    Cab Guest

    Look, we're not going to agree and I can't be arsed to argue my side.
     
    Cab, Dec 11, 2003
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    Secularism is surely the rejection of facile belief systems? The
    French are banning from state funded education the wearing of all
    religious symbols, the idiot believers can retire to self funded
    education and adorn themselves if they wish. The French are only doing
    what any intelligent society *should* be doing, the mistake in the UK
    is having state funded religious schools.

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    Boots Blakeley, Dec 11, 2003
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  5. Hog

    Cane Guest

    They already do.
     
    Cane, Dec 11, 2003
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  6. Hog

    Cab Guest

    On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:10:39 -0000, "Boots Blakeley"
    <> bored us all completely to death with wittery
    prose along the lines of:

    The French have a few religious schools too. Very few. Even then, the
    schools must agree to follow the same curriculum as the public
    schools. Furthermore, they're actually not allowed to force students
    to attend religion courses or to discriminate against students on the
    basis of religion.
     
    Cab, Dec 11, 2003
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  7. Hog wrote
    Not entirely. It is also about issues involved in allowing communities
    the limited[1] freedoms to follow customary religious observances and
    practices.

    There is a very good example of new cultures actively taking the piss
    out of the natives in the running joke about the need to stop and pray
    to Mecca regularly in the Please Sir film. Running along side it is an
    equally good example of the effects, on the native population, of
    ignorance of novel religious customs.

    The humour, in the form of farce, masks the frustration of the natives.
    This frustration brought into being by the suspicion that they are
    having the piss taken out of them and are powerless to prevent it for
    fear of being labelled as Racist.

    Whether wrapped in farce or not, the views expressed seem to be shared
    by the majority of the community and are along the lines of, "We
    actually don't like these Johnny come latelys' taking the piss in this
    way.

    Eventually, law comes into line with public opinion and religious
    observance of any kind is banned from national curriculum. The fact
    that Moslems regard the wearing of a headscarf as a religious observance
    and not a social imperative is inevitably going to bring them into
    conflict with the letter of the law.

    Far from not forcing any brand of religious education upon the pupils,
    in the particular instance of Muslim girl children and headscarves, it
    appears to be doing precisely the opposite.


    It is France, who gives a ****.


    [1]Insert caveats about not otherwise interfering with basic human
    rights of the rest of society and shit
     
    steve auvache, Dec 11, 2003
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    Cab Guest

    Des has already seen.
     
    Cab, Dec 11, 2003
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  9. Hog wrote
    What is to discuss?
     
    steve auvache, Dec 11, 2003
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    Pip Guest

    Pip, Dec 11, 2003
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    Sean Doherty Guest

    Sean Doherty, Dec 11, 2003
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  12. Hog

    Hog Guest

    This is the sort of shit I object to:
    President Jacques Chirac said he would announce next Wednesday whether he
    would seek a law banning the veil, now a major issue in France amid concern
    of failed Muslim integration and growing Islamist influence. He has hinted
    he backs a ban.
     
    Hog, Dec 11, 2003
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  13. Hog

    Hog Guest

    You are too biased to make a reasonable argument? I speak as a non church
    goer.
     
    Hog, Dec 11, 2003
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    Cane Guest

    Yeah, yeah... what are you going to copy and paste this time?
     
    Cane, Dec 11, 2003
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  15. Hog

    Hog Guest

    Precisely. It's creeping thought control and what the EU Project is all
    about IMHO.
    Ah, a voice of reason. Bless you.
     
    Hog, Dec 11, 2003
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  16. Hog wrote
    Surely that you feel the need to state your position regarding even some
    of your attitudes towards church going makes you equally biased, albeit
    in different directions?

    For any of us to say we are free of bias is, at best, a foolish boast.
     
    steve auvache, Dec 11, 2003
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  17. Nope. There is a world of difference in permission and forcing pupils
    to wear such..

    Were the school to mandate that pupils had to
    wear religious symbols that would be correctly construed as the state
    meddling in religion.

    My personal view is that banning all such is also the state meddling
    in religion. Which they are not allowed to do (by their own rules)..
    Hang on - why all of a sudden are they required to 'leave it at the
    door'? Surely it's nothing to do with the State whether people show
    an outward sign of their beliefs? Unless that belief consists
    of chopping people into little bit of course..
    No - it causes prejudice against people who have a devout religion.

    In this country in is (quite properly) left up to the
    individual schools to manage - not the State.

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Dec 11, 2003
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    Spete Guest

    Mr Stasi? Haven't I heard that word before? Also linked to Thought control
    IIRC.
     
    Spete, Dec 11, 2003
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    Pip Guest

    Random threats of violence, by the look of it.
     
    Pip, Dec 11, 2003
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    Ace Guest

    <without reading the link>

    This has been state policy in France for many, many years and extends
    to the banning of crucifixes and any other religious symbols. It's
    been a source of contention amongst muslims for years and raises its
    head every ten years or so.
     
    Ace, Dec 11, 2003
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