OMFG - WTF are they thinking?

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Bruce, Nov 24, 2008.

  1. Bruce

    Bruce Guest

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    Mark N Guest

    Well, the concept of this has been a given for a very long time, ever
    since the initial DSB announcement. The class concept would appear to
    arise out of the desire to include European bikes (a la MOTO-ST) and
    Harleys. This desire can be summed up as follows, paraphrasing
    Hannibal Lecter, "What do they do, these clowns you dispise? They
    covet. And what do they covet? They covet what they see every day."
    Well, not every day, but every bike week, and that's lots and lots of
    Harleys, ridden by guys who never set foot inside the Speedway. Just
    as Tom suggests.

    So DMG selected a bike from each of those manufacturers, the one
    closest to middleweight performance. That Harley/Buell ended up with
    the only SB base machine probably should be viewed as fortuitous, for
    them and DMG.

    The original concept used the power-to-weight ratio to equalize the
    field, but the Japanese OEMs objected to a power cap and weight
    minimum that wouldn't reward basic advancements in their machines. So
    DMG relented, and here we are. Now the rules call for a minimum weight
    determined for each machine ("Minimum weight for each machine will be
    established during the homologation process, and listed on the TIF"),
    and we have no idea what those will be. But one assumes it will have
    something to do with what the actual machines weigh with allowable
    mods, probably equal for all the 600s and the 675, and possibly the
    848 as well (even though it should have a weight penalty). The bigger
    bikes will certainly be heavier, but who knows if it will be adequate
    to equalize performance. The Buell is almost certainly the biggest
    concern. To the unbiased race fan, that is.

    So until we see those TIFs we have no idea what the bikes will weigh,
    and how much DMG has tried to equalize the field. Realize that they
    could well backdoor the power-to-weight thing yet. And of course no
    one knows what to target as they build their bikes. Including Graves
    Yamaha, who will be rolling out their R6 DSBs at Daytona in a couple
    weeks. And remember that the TIF is the manipulation mechanism for
    DMG, that's how they will manipulate performance in order to achieve
    desired results. So a given minimum weight today may not be in effect
    tomorrow.

    Anyway, the current situation is part of the reason I'd kind of
    conceded the previous structure, although grudgingly - I'm not sure
    that the current rules won't result in even more problems. Of course
    that pales in impact compared to the lastest stalemate with the
    OEMs...
     
    Mark N, Nov 25, 2008
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    Julian Bond Guest

    And the Aprilia RSV. The previous rules said the Tuono. Is this a
    mis-print, because the last RSV is a well developed machine that is
    pretty close to the 999 in performance. I'd discount the Buell because
    it's really not finished at the moment. And the HP2 BMW and Superduke
    probably aren't competitive, fun as they might be to watch.

    And note that DSB and Supersport allow virtually no tuning. These are
    going to be effectively race prepared stock bikes. This will further
    handicap the Buell, HP2 and Superduke.

    So we're (you're) left with the 600s and the Triumph, vs a couple of
    RSVs and 898s.
     
    Julian Bond, Nov 25, 2008
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    Henry Guest

    Henry, Nov 26, 2008
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  5. they're not sub-classes - it is all one class

    Bruce
     
    Bruce Hartweg, Dec 1, 2008
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