Old Pacific Hwy - Party's over?

Dont get too specific with comparisons.

And yes, I AM talking about UJM's, not the older gen that were NOT seen much
in my riding circle.

Your experience may differ but mine confirmed UJM's then were less reliable
than today.

Same with contemporary cars, advances in manufacturing and design.

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Why not? It makes comparisons more relevant?

Fair enough... both were in mine.

It seems they do.

And exactly where (using the previously mentioned) Bandit 1200/GSX1400
vs the GS1000/1100 GSX1100 are the advances?

I know the 12/14 are 4 valve and have extra oil flow, but the early ones
had a stronger bottom end.

Please tell me your reasoning


G-S

 

GS is 2 valve, GSX is 4 valve (all capacities)
All GSXs up to the 1100EFG (approx 86 ?) were air cooled, the later
GSXs/Bandits(GSF) are mostly based on GSXR engines, some are water cooled or
oil cooled. Lots of drag bikes still use the early GS/aircooled GSX as a
base cause they are strong.
Al

 

Suzuki's ....could give a rats arse about...

Go read a magazine if you want a comparison on particular models.

However will give you this:-

a) manufacturing tolerances/QCQA better on latter models than earlier.
b) any electronics modules higher spec
c) design flaws from earlier mods worked out
d) oil grades better

tyres...chains...seals...materials..."standard" features higher spec..

This covers automotive industry, not just bikes...or even your beloved G
series Zukis.

....the list could go on ...and so do technology advances. Dont recall
warranties 20 years ago on cars and bikes exceeded 1 year. Now 2 years for
bikes and 5 years for cars is not unusual.

Continuous improvement in processes and design is core to success for
manufacturing.

This philosophy did not feature for the Brit industry by the '70s and also
the Italian industry until the '90s.

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I actually know all of that... I've owned a GS1000G and a Bandit 1200...
I'm still not convinced that the Bandit is 'differently' reliable...
although it does have wider tyres and a higher cornering limit and
better brakes.


G-S

 

Well.. not me actually

I already know the differences.

Yes... but with all of that the bandit still isn't as long lived as the
earlier GS1000G/GS1100G... and I'm not biased I've owned both.

Yup... fair enough... so why does a 1985 K100RS last longer than a
modern sports tourer? Which by definition makes it 'more reliable' btw...

I'm not arguing any of that... but those technology improvements have
been used to improve power output with most modern motobikes.

That offsets longevity!


G-S

 

We live in a disposable society.

Case in point, recent Snowy Ride... so many bikes sub-5 years old. Didnt
see ANY 20 year old beemers or GS's...not that I was looking

And in the entire weekend I heard of or saw more bikes have accidents (too
hot into corners) than broken down.
Actually...I asked around...no one recalled hearing of any breakdowns..apart
from 1 out-of-fuel story.

Longevity and reliability are subtlely different but related concepts.

Belabouring _my_ point on "reliability" (and I acknowledge yr perspective
re: a 20 year old Beemer being ...most likely ...more reliable than a 20
year old UJM) reliability for a sub-5 year old bike now is better than
reliability for a sub-5 year bike of the '80's era....back then...

Attend a rally/event 20 years ago and there'll be a more breakdown stories
than attending a rally/meet "today".

Early K series had their fair share of engineering/design flaws too.

So put up an argument that contemporary design/materials/quality and market
forces have led to more unreliable cars/bikes than 20 years ago and we'll
see if it flies.

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alx wrote:

Motorcycle manufacturesrs have being building fool-proof motorcycles for
about twenty years now.

The trouble is, mankind has been breeding more ingenious fools.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Darn it! All my previous bikes were the post-20 years old class.

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In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:35:17 +1100

so take pride in being a better fool!

Me, I'm just the old fashioned type of fool, none of the new features
for me!

Zebee