Old Pacific Hwy - Party's over?

Eh?

Perhaps you should LOOK at the bikes in that age bracket. I'd happily
accept that too.

Hammo

 

So Kevlar did save your bacon, eh? Eh?

Hammo

 

To cover the costs of having private healthcare for Chlamydia treatment.

Hammo

 

Yeah (insert take of woe regarding the flat).

Hammo

 

Look? I did more than LOOK at bikes in that age bracket.


I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html

 

Sure, that'd keep the hordes of flesh-eating zombies off
the paint for a while, but even if it's thrown clear of the
earth by the impact of the giant asteroid, it'll inevitably
be drawn into the black hole that has annihilated the Sun.

And my insurance doesn't cover that.

-----sharks (preplanned reponse ...)

 

Geez, Nev, aren't you keeping up? We're VICTIMS! Of a vast CONSPIRACY!

-----sharks

 

That wasn't an accident of significance, that was just falling off!

-----sharks (a nurse might have been handy, but all that turned
up was some tree-hanging tit of a chemist)

 

Ha ha ha. I was more concerned that you were going to over the side. The
pod could at the very least be used to haul your mangled body up to the
road!

Hammo (Tree-hanging tit!)

We love you Kevlar, you saved our Sharks! If only you saved our beers!

 

****, and I was gunna buy a new shed!

 

Yeah true,that's his main defensive riding technique, but he has made
some "interesting statements" about what he considered to be riding
appropriately over the years, however it's going to take a while in
google to find them I think - a quick couple of minutes this morning
didn't find the particular one I was thinking of.

JL

 

Bingo ! Hand the lady a kewpie doll.

As I said to Cam, I don't have a panacea for people riding like
dickheads - heavy policing is about it, but we know it's not terribly
effective - you just shift the problem to somewhere else. You need to
find some way of engaging them to think about their behaviour.

There's 3 levels of behavioural influence(1):

-compliance - this occurs when the person is forced to do something they
don't believe in - ie the way most people slow down for a 100m for a
speed camera then speed up again. This is what you get

- identification - a person understands and accepts the reasons for
required behaviour (even though it may not necessarily be in line with
their values) - ie me doing the Old Road at 80K even though I genuinely
KNOW I can do it faster than that safely (because I've ridden it when it
was a 100K zone without issue on inferior bikes), I accept that there
are other parameters which make it reasonable to go more slowly than it
is possible to do safely.

- Internalisation - the behaviour required is totally congruent with
the person's values and beliefs

Until and unless you move these riders to the 2nd or 3rd level they will
only comply to the point where the balance of probability of being
caught is higher than their acceptable risk level for the possibility of
being booked.

<snip> synopsis:"Speeding is easy to book, bad behaviour isnt"

Yup, I know, that's why the RTA focuses on speed - because it's
measurable and quantifiable. They don't do it because they're arseholes,
they do it because it's the only thing they know how to do.

Problem is, it doesn't work. Road trauma has stayed static or gone up
everywhere cameras have been implemented. There's a direct correlation
between the number of police on the road, and the probability of people
being killed in that area (when police hrs on the road go down, road
trauma goes up)

Probably not easily, and anything that is a value judgement rather than
a metric is intrinsically more difficult to manage,but it's not
impossible - there are many value judgement based offences that are
prosecuted every day. <Shrug> That's why you have expert witnesses - the
judge should never have to be an expert, only an arbiter on the
application of the law.

Video cameras with the speed cameras and expert witnesses - "Ok yer
honner, see how this 'ere squid has not only crossed the white line here
at 140K, his corner entry point was absolutely woeful and he was hanging
off the wrong way - crucifixion is too good for him"


JL
(1) Kelman 1958

 

You friggen' twat. I can well remember many of your posts, in fact
there's a specific one I have in mind to prove my point, finding it is
always the hard part in amongst all the rest of the dross.

Thank you, you patronising git. As and when my self esteem is based on
your approbation I'll become concerned, until then tell someone who
gives a ****.

JL

 

Indeed. The bike I have the most trouble sticking to the speed limit on
is the Gilera 180 with it's whopping 12Hp of mindblowing power and 15"
wheels it's clearly a supersports NOT.

JL
(but it is fun <chuckle> just very hard to not hold it WOT all the time)

 

Yeah, if we started crucifying car drivers for fucking up, the 74% of
metro bike/car accidents that are the car drivers fault would reduce
dramatically I suspect

SMIDSY ? Off with his head !!

JL
(this is growing on me Pete, I'm really starting to like the sound of this)

 

But Hammo, they're not going to use those laws against caucasians, Doug
said so !

JL

 

Zebee Johnstone wrote:

See!


That's why I vote for Zebee as benevolent dictator.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:52:57 +1100

Someone told me that in japan, "I didn't see him" is a full admission of
guilt.

Dunno if it's true, but I think it's a good idea.

Zebee

 

Welll... I liked the mandatory everyone should have a bike (for free)
line better

But I'd cope if you allowed them to bring Aprilia RS250s into the
country again

JL

 

The last 3 fatals that I know of were caused by someone coming the other way
on the wrong side of the road, 2 were cars (1 P plater in 200sx the other a
nissan GTR club member) the other was a tool on a bike going about 120+
round a 45Kph left hander on the wrong side of the road. In all 3 cases the
rider that died was going at or under the speed limit, the cars were
untouched as the riders took evasive action, and were killed by road
furniture.

I don't see how lowering the speed limit is going to change much, except
fatten the governments pockets.

Craig