That depends on the definition of independent that is used and who or what you apply it to. -- Kevin - Basildon XV535 GPZ305 (her's) BOTAFOT#67 BOTAFOF#23 OSOS#29
Keith wrote I agree whole heartedly but it is not down to the pigs to do this for you. The Benly got knicked from a place called Pitsea and I wasn't really that surprised. 6 miles away, the other side of Basildon in Billericay, I could park it in the street with the engine running and a helmet on the seat for good measure and expect it to be there when I get back. The difference is the locals and the fact that we don't have half the social workers patrolling this area that they do the other side of town.
K Olley wrote Not really Kev. They are different sorts of crimes committed by different sorts of people. Look at the language we use about them. We don't refer to rapists and murderers as scrotes, or thieving scum or all the rest of it. We can, as individual members of society, do something about preventing thieving as the likes of yourself have proven[1] but there is very little that we can do as individuals about rapists. With a little effort we can make life difficult for thieves and stop them before they start. The best we can hope with a rapist is to catch him after the event. [1] On this subject do you fancy being a TV star? Your story would make a nice little documentary article.
I think I do, sort of. If you get an area where petty crime is, effectively, tolerated (if not actually condoned), then it's likely that the scumbags will move fuurther up the nastiness ladder. Or down, IYSWIM. Either way, they reckon they can get away with it, and push the envelope further. Whether that includes murders and rapes - I might agree with you here. I can't see a sausal relationship between nicking a bike and rape. Except that, again, the rapist might think he has a better chance of getting away with it in such an area.[/QUOTE] Open up the definitions a bit, remember that a prosecution is not always based on what has been committed but on what they are most litely to secure a conviction. Any conclusions gathered from data based on these type of statistics could also be biased for the same reasons. -- Kevin - Basildon XV535 GPZ305 (her's) BOTAFOT#67 BOTAFOF#23 OSOS#29
I must admit that my baseline is including the taking of life or serious injury rather than just the legal definition of murder, same goes for rape, its just a small subset of serious sexual assault. As above, Yes and no, both murder and rape are crimes that can be affected by circumstances, some are committed with total disregard to environmental conditions, altering the conditions will not affect these. But under the wrong conditions and I am including within these conditions the mental attitude obtained by being brought up or living for extended periods within the wrong environment can affect them. No. -- Kevin - Basildon XV535 GPZ305 (her's) BOTAFOT#67 BOTAFOF#23 OSOS#29
I was presuming you meant the British Crime Survey. If I am wrong please correct me. -- Kevin - Basildon XV535 GPZ305 (her's) BOTAFOT#67 BOTAFOF#23 OSOS#29
I snipped the wrong bit. You were talking about convictions. The BCS specifically tries to establish the true extent of crime, by researching unreported crime.
K Olley wrote That is a shame. How about as consultant? It would be nice if the tale could be told. The theme of the ordinary man in the street actually a making difference is far too good to waste. Who knows, it may just inspire others to do the same and wouldn't that be nice?
I have not reviewed their work so obviously cannot comment on it, I had just assumed that there work was based on what would be to them readily available information. -- Kevin - Basildon XV535 GPZ305 (her's) BOTAFOT#67 BOTAFOF#23 OSOS#29
No, cannot go into too much detail but some of the options available and some of the tactics that may or may not have been used might not be seen by some as being totally legal. -- Kevin - Basildon XV535 GPZ305 (her's) BOTAFOT#67 BOTAFOF#23 OSOS#29
K Olley wrote Fair do's. I'll not push the point. But..... There are established industry standard ways to get round problems of the type you suggest. Tricks of the trade include but are not limited to: journalistic confidentiality, fictionalisation of events, friends in the right places and a lot of precedent. It is the idea the knowledge behind it which are the important thing. The manner in which the tale is told does not have to directly mirror reality, it only has to suggest it and doing that is *my* problem. Think about it and give me a call. Hitler.
This is what I simply don't accept. I really, really can't be arsed. The requisite information is in one of three dozen academic texts in storage in the UK. If you want to find evidence, then fine - have a crack at it. I can't be bothered to /because I know I'm right/.
You're convinced on what evidence? On that basis, rapes and murders would never happen in Knightsbridge, Stoke Poges, Sawbridgeworth, Altrincham and other places with low criminality. But rapes and murders do happen in those places, as well as in Pitsea, where my CD200 was stolen.
On that basis _fewer_ murders and rapes and other violent crime (especially the sort found in nasty little parks where scum accumulate because no-one gets rid of them) would occur in Knightsbridge, etcetera, than in Pitsea. Which I think you'll find is correct. H
Show me the figures, then. I lived in Pitsea for 15 years, and there was only one murder in all that time - and the conviction was only for manslaughter, because of the eggshell skull defence. I bet there were more than that in Knightsbridge between 1982 and 1997.
