Oh, so it wasn't all about oil after all, then...

Champ wrote

The history of this goes back a long way but "a liberal vote is a wasted
vote" has been a mantra of the labour party faithful when under pressure
for generations.[1] Like most things spouted by Mainstream it is bollox
with a trace of truth in distant unwritten history dragged out to
frighten the uninformed and unknowing come polling day. Ignore it, it
is bollox.



[1] Point for the Labour party faithful tp note is that some of the two
thirds of us who won't be voting for them last, this or next time get
deeply offended by this and will even help parties we don't like just to
piss in labours pie. I think that it is a very negative policy that
will backfire badly on them in the same way as Blurs "If You don't trust
Me then vote for the others." A direct result of that speech has been
to get two people I know who have never voted to come out and vote,
against Tone obviously. Well done Tone.

 

raden wrote

Hitler was no threat to Britain in the 30's. He knew he had a lot of
support in the house of lords and other places and sought us out as an
ally. It was only politically active Jewry within the Labour Movement
that really held us back from joining him by the skin of our teeth.

And it was us who declared war on him, don't forget that. He, like
Saddam, did not start on us first.

No need. I think the whole of the world is now pretty much aware just
how much of a lie that whole WMD was. With a bit of luck the merkin
freedom of information laws will let us see the rest of the truth soon.

 

Alan wrote

In truth there wasn't actually that much of a tide. You cannot have
public opinion when not only are the public almost completely uninformed
but the mechanisms to find out precisely how ignorant they were of
events didn't exist as they do today. It was a different world, a long,
long away from here. Your very modern glasses are out of focus.

This may have been the case

 

Refuse the order as illegal and then hope they have a very very good
lawyer to keep them out of Colchester for the rest of their service
term.

Phil

 

Either that, or just good old fashioned incompetence:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/03/military_report_secrets/

 

Hah. Thank you for that. Numpty the Merkin strikes again.

 

It's not just paras, I know of others who were making frantic phone
calls when things were kicking off for Op Telic trying to get any
posting they could because their own units weren't deploying.

The British Army doesn't do much War Fighting but it's the job it's
trained to do.

 

IME people who have left since Op Telic haven't left because they were
sent to the gulf but because of how they were treated there and how the
situation has been handled ever since.

 

Where were you posted then?

 

Phil Launchbury proposed

I heard Colchester is an unpleasent town, but didn't think it would be
so bad.

 

Boom tish!

--
John (jsp)

SV 650
Black it is
And Naked

 

Not quite. The Wop driver was going too fast and his passenger paid the
price.

Interesting that some 15-30 vehicles had already been turned back from
the checkpoint. Vehicles that hadn't been fired on.

 

Oh, bums. I have some really fucking secret info about this, but I
just *can't* post it.

 

Really? It doesn't sound like it could have something that interesting
attached to it. My email addy is valid BTW.

 

What *every* Labour campaigner? I can't recall ever saying it. So it
looks as if your statement is, ermm, not right.

Joshing aside, there are a number of seats that a protest vote could
adversely affect and allow a Tory in.

It can be argued this, naturally, doesn't make for a more left leaning
social democratic parliament: "I'm voting for a more socialist
parliament by having more Tories".

IMO Hove is a gonner but Hornchurch, Essex - John Cryer MP - with a
smaller majority (1,200 v Hove's 3,200) may survive. I spent a long
Wednesday knocking on doors there and was surprised at the fairly solid
Labour vote on both the right to buy ex-council estates and run down
areas. The BNP were nowhere to be seen (Romford is another story though).

Hopefully my Ladbrookes spree will bring me riches beyond my wildest
dreams [1]...

Back to the point, the Labour seats where the Tories stand a good chance
of slipping in if there's 'left' protest vote:

Dumfries
Braintree
Monmouth
Lancaster and Wye
Kettering
Northampton South
Welwyn Hatfield
Shipley
Clwyd West
Bexleyheath and Crayford (BNP 'target')
Milton Keynes NE
Hornchurch
Selby
Hammersmith and Fulham
Thanet South
Forest of Dean
Wellingborough
Ilford North
Rugby and Kenilworth
Gillingham
Harwich
Enfield North
Calder Valley
Redditch
Peterborough
Shrewsbury and Atcham
Dartford
Scarborough and Whitby
Hove
Preseli Pembrokeshire
Gloucester
Putney
Hemel Hempstead
Ribble South
Finchley and Golders Green
Wolverhampton South West
The Wrekin
Sittingbourne and Shepey
High Peak
Stourbridge
Brigg and Goole
Falmouth and Camborne
Medway
Colne Valley
Wirral west
St Albans
Vale of Glamorgan
Burton
Hastings and Rye
Pendle


[1] Hornchurch=Labour, Hove=Tory, Lab maj=85+, Btn Pavillion=Green

 

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Your list seems to tie in with this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/html/gainsandlosses_lab.stm

 

Email it to me and I'll read it.

Can't promise any more than that

Btw boys, mail server may go tango uniform some time this weekend,
if I decide to do the upgrade. Depends how pissed I get...

 

You know he was talking about the "blacked out" text
not really being blacked out, and not the content of
the report. Right? Or am I stating the bloody obvious
to the clued and making a right arse of myself again?

Well, that's what the US says. The Italians say different.
And as usual we'll never really know, will we? Comes down
to who do you trust least I guess.

Does this give more credence to the US version (driving too fast)
or the (now unofficial) Italian one (shot deliberately)?

 

But, if you believe this

http://cryptome.org/pm-secret.htm

He was a bit short on options

 

Ah, but your vote counts ... ask TOG