Oh bollocks . . . .

The said:

Shag their wife and ride their bike within 12 hours of death being
confirmed.

 

Heh, I know the answer to this one because SWMBO has just done her advanced
training on this subject.

Amazingly a bit of a run-up to give them an almighty punch in the chest is
the order of the day.

The trick, apparently, is in telling when somebody has gone down because of
heart attack and when they've just fainted

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Is it the A4030, or the B4030? As looking at the map, I can see a B4030 near
Bicester, not not an A...

 

Bear said:

You're not trying to sort it - you are merely preserving life until the
experts arrive. So, you can reduce the bleeding, elevate a limb etc,
apply heart massage if the heart has stopped, artificial respiration if
breathing has stopped etc etc.

 

Please read my other posting.

The Good Samaritan defence was specifically coined so that people
*wouldn't* refuse to give first aid help for fear of being sued.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear

Bollocks. Firm pressure will certainly help.

Once again, bollocks. A sucking lung wound can be greatly helped with a
credit card. (Really).

Use CPR to keep blood moving and oxygenated. Keep it going until the
ambulance turns up. They can then take over. It's a small chance that
you'll save the person. But it *is* a chance (as a neighbour once proved
with my dear old mum).

I'd suggest you're wrong.

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Wrong. there are simple things which can be done by someone who has had a
couple of hours training which could save a life whether the injuries to
the victim are serious or not.

For example,

1 preventing the tongue of an unconscious person from blocking their
windpipe.

2 Applying a torniquet to a profusely bleeding limb.

Any more?

 

Bear said:

If you happen upon the accident or injured person and are disinterested
(i.e. not there as part of your employment) you are protected as you
are acting as a Good Samaritan.

If you are in a work situation your employer will (usually) indemnify
you if you are an official first-aider.

 

Fascinating. I can see that being of great help in a pub brawl.

"I was helping him recover from a heart attack, ossifer...."

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, tallbloke

No longer recommended, I'm afraid. Direct very firm pressure to the
wound is yer man here.

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There isn't one. Leave it on until the paramedics take over.

Loosen the chinstrap if you can without jarring the neck of the victim.

 

Could well be - good road though and doesn't suffer fools gladly

 

(The Older Gentleman) wrote in

Loosen clothing around neck

clear airways

look for drugs in the car/bike luggage

Cover with a coat if cold

 

tallbloke said:

How old are you? It hasn't been called a tourniquet since the Crimean
war...

It's still the same thing mind.

 

Nicely worded.

 

Bear said...

There's a fairly substantial difference between sorting, and keeping
them alive long enough for someone else to sort them. Knowing how and
where to press on an arterial bleed can keep someone alive long enough
for paramedics to arrive.

That too. Being able to asses the injury and deal with the casualty
appropriately can keep them alive, positioning them so that they don't
drown in their own blood, for one.

Far too many, really. And I CBA.

Patient management, positioning, reassurance. Positioning being
important. CPR is less about restarting the heart, more about keeping
the brain oxygenated. Out of all the people I know who have had to
perform CRP (and that's a lot of people) only 2 have ever restored
rhythm, but that doesn't mean the others wasted their time. Them doing
CPR mean that when someone arrived with the appropriate equipment the
patient hadn't been sitting there suffering from oxygen starvation for
the last x minutes.

IME, very useful and effective, going way beyond commonsense. Someone
has had something heavy fall across their leg? What you going to do?
Move it? Most people would, commonsense, that. However, by doing that
you could kill them. Renal failure as a result of reperfusion injury
following a crush injury is common in this situation. Would you know how
long after the crush injury it is safe to remove the object? Those who
have had first aid training should know. That is just *one* of many
possible examples.

 

The nurse stood more chance of being sued than you. She has professional
training and may be liable for fuckups.

If you have ornery first aid training you are in the clear.

 

LOL! That's *exactly* what I thought he meant, until I read your
posting.

 

AOL. Tourniquets are now generally regarded as not much use. Pressure
required to stop bleeding will prolly stop useful blood flow (unless
your leg has already fallen off).
They may be of some use with snake bite victims thobut.

 

Iain said:

When you work for an ISP that doesn't give two fucks about Usenet, I
suppose you tend to get sloppy yourself.