Oh bollocks . . . .

I've found that although I've not done a course in ages [1], I still
remember over 90% of what I've learnt.

[1] I've just had the okay to do another course with the Croix Rouge,
paid for by work.

 

Cab says...

Blood on the line

 

sweller wrote

Blind dates can be a bugger sometimes.

 

Bear wrote:

Heh, you just reminded me of a mountain biking accident I and a pal had
in the middle of the lake district. She came off, I had to bunny hop to
avoid collision and then lost it stopping quickly/turning mid air etc. I
was bleeding quite badly, but she was unconscious. Mountain Rescue rock.

with any other help such as landmarks etc all helps save a minute or
two. Oh and whether any access is restricted cos of incident etc, or if
there are any immediate dangers - traffic, petrol, gas, chemicals etc.

Male/Female, Approx Age, Name, what first aid has been administered so
far, any known allergies/medical conditions etc, any known use of
drink/drugs - legal or otherwise blah blah.

It's also about when you say stuff. ie call 999 ASAP, not 10 minutes
after you've arrived. It's a pain to diall 999 midway through CPR.
Preferably delegate the task to someone else.

Quite.

 

Face down on the floor ;-)

 

Heh - fair point that, I always announce myself as a fellow biker (to
other bikers) and/or being basic first aid qualified.

I remember going home after my Dave Corden weekend and there was a pile
up happening on the otherside of the motorway. I was just approaching a
junction, so took it, came back up the other side and got to the front.
Chaos it was - and whilst I'm nowt special, just someone, anyone, taking
charge makes such a difference.

oi, *you*, got a mobile? Call the ambulance.
*you*, yes you, call the plod, and you over there, the firebrigade cos
there's fuel and shit everywhere.

Right, anyone who isn't injured, move back out of harms way.
*you* grab some jackets, coats, blankets whatever - wrap up anyone who's
injured or shaking.

quick mental assesment of who's hurt to what severity inside and outside
of cars.

about 8 mins later, the plod and a para-bike arrived up the hardshoulder
- walked up to them, gave them a run down of exactly what appeared to be
safe or not, who was injured, which cars had casualties in etc.

Got much thanks from both lead guys for making their task much easier to
assess/prioritise.

"I don't know" is perfectly acceptable, and much more preferable to duff
info. As for drinking at that time of the morning, could be a car having
run into a late night straggler or a wino or whatever.

Another valid point - try and make the situation safe - use other people
if needs be. Don't destroy potential evidence, but make sure someone is
250 yards up the road alerting traffic to the hazard etc.

They get used to it - if they remain calm, it's easier for you to be the
same, which also transfers to the patient. Another tip - in multiple
casualty situations, he who shouts loudest gets seen last.

luck not service level then....

 

Totally agree. That's why I've asked my boss to pay for the course. On
this course I won't need to learn how to deal with gunshot wounds
though.

 

*waves*

 

Doesnotcompute says...

BTDT. It's amazing how calm one can be when dealing with a situation
like this. I suppose it's because I've been right there at the scene
when so many of my mates have binned it big-style, that I'm almost
accustomed to it. I now seem to take control of that kind of scenario
quite easily, much to the amusement of those who don't know me all that
well.

 

Usually because they're involved or witness and shocked, or don't know
any first aid etc, or too scared about 'comeback' if they get something
wrong.

I guess most people that have stopped have some desire to help, but as
above, don't/can't/won't etc.

Heh - you'll note the lack of question mark from my rhetorical statement

 

Indeed - adrenalin takes over and away you go.

I can believe that in the scenario we're talking about you'd be
perfectly level headed and logical about it. In fact, I don't think
there's many people who wouldn't with just a small amount of "cover
these basics" training.

as an aside, anyone remember if there is an obligation on people with
first aid training to help if they see an incident? ie is there a
(theoretical) penalty for walking past an incident and not helping?

 

Yes, with Army medical training. In most cases, it's pretty straight
forward. Put big bandage on entry wound, put bigger bandage on exit
wound. Cross fingers.

Luckily, I've never had to put theory into practice.

 

Guilt.

 

well yes, although I (try to) understand that some people don't suffer
from this. Odd.

 

If I'm ever going to fall foul of the breatherlyser it'll probably be at
about 08.45.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, sweller

<nods> AOL

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Wicked Uncle Nigel says...

It'll be early April or mid September for me.

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom:

Official and unofficial birthdays?

 

BoSM & EoSM

 

Whinging Courier says...

BOSM and EOSM. About the only times of the year that I drink.