O.T. Regulation of smoking in public places

Please feel free to join him, you sanctimonious arsehole.

 

That bloke from Brum will be in touch with you.

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Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
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Motorcycling is your pleasure (when wifey lets you out to play).
Pollution is a by-product of your motorcycling. It gets in my hair, my
eyes, my clothes, my throat, my lungs. It stinks..

Eating is my pleasure. Shit is the by product of my eating.
Can I shit on your bike?

 

Certainly make them pay for the health care, if their actions caused the
action to be required.

Should be applied to smokers, drinkers etc.

 

This may be the way forward, a compromise. The venues *have* to fit
appropriate air conditioning/filtration units or go non-smoking.

 

The employees have a right to a smoke free working environment.

 

sweller said:

Perhaps they should have thought of that /before/ applying for a job in
a smokey pub.

What about people who make kippers? Not going to be quite the same if
their environment becomes smoke-free is it?

 

Protect us from those that only care about them selves - please.

 

Bugger, I have to agree with you.

 

Only if you go to places that are smoking only.

I like the old joke.
"Do you mind if I smoke?"
"Not at all, do you mind if I fart repeatedly ?"

 

[snip]

I listened to this being debated on the radio yesterday and now I've
caught up with this thread, so here's my take on it.

I am a non-smoker and have never smoked. I've never even had a drag
on a ciggie. I do, however, have a lot of friends who smoke. I
also enjoy going to the pub for a few beers.

Now, I agree that a restaurant is not particularly pleasant if it's
a fog-filled haze, and therefore I wouldn't eat there if possible.
Most places I know are either renowned as being smoky or not,
IYSWIM. However, it is obviously possible that a restaurant 'known'
to be 'non-smoky' could be 'smoky' on a bad night. Personally,
I'd put up with it, albeit begrudgingly, and think twice about
going there again.

Pubs, however, are different IMHO. In general, non-smoking areas
don't work. It's the pissing in the pool analogy mentioned earlier.
I think there's a big difference in old, traditional pubs and the
new, modern chains. The Wetherspoon's, O'Neills etc are frequently
refurbished shops/banks etc. and therefore in general have decent
aircon so the pub doesn't usually get too smokey, although this
doesn't stop the smell of smoke clinging to clothes, etc.
I can't see it being cost effective for old, trad. pubs to be forced
to install it and I honestly think that the low beamed, dark and
smokey pub is a part of our heritage, if that makes sense.

On the subject of 'what about the staff', firstly they know
that they're going to be working in a potentially smokey pub.
Secondly, out of most of the bar staff that I know as friends,
I would guess that around two thirds of them smoke anyway.
Last night, for example, I was in my local doing the pub quiz.
There were six of us, two were off-duty staff. I was the only
non-smoker. There's no point in me going to a non-smoking pub
as too many of my friends smoke.

I would however, like some choice. If I'm out with my Dad,
who *detests* smoky pubs, we'll choose to go somewhere that
I know is less smokey. I think that there are enough pubs,
bars and restaurants that it should be up to the owner or
manager to decide whether a non-smoking establishment is
viable for them. I certanly don't agree that it should be
law - freedom of choice, and all that.

 

What about skiing accidents or falling off a horse do they pay as well. If
there's a case of food poisoning should who pay for that treatment the
state or the patient for eating dodgy food?

Maybe we should move to the US model of a very basic health service with
the rest being topped up by private insurance.

They pay extra tax. Couldn't that be used to cover the cost?

 

}:8)

 

Ooooooh. 'ark at 'er....

}:8)

 

I forsee problems with listed building and large metal vents.

Maybe a dispensation for bars which have been snug smokey dens for 100
years or more?

 

YTC#1 <> spouted the following in usenet.uk.sun.com:

I will if I want to natter to mates who smoke.

Heh.

 

let's have a dispensation for places with asbestos ceilings and lead
piping while we're at it, eh?

 

True enough, but IMO if you take a job in somewhere like a pub then
you take the good and the bad that goes with it.

It'd be like working in a train yard and wanting a diesel fume free
working environment...

 

And red herrings, don't forget them.

 

YTC#1 <> spouted the following in usenet.uk.sun.com:

Agreed, those non-smokers who don't give a shit about the rights of those
who enjoy a cig really get up my nose.