O.T. Regulation of smoking in public places

Pub culture has taken a lot of hits over the years:

unrepealed restrictive drinking hours
Cheap booze available in supermarkets and corner shops
Home entertainment systems

Brewers force to sell large numbers of pubs to holding companies which
don't understand pub culture or it's clientele.

Now a blanket ban on smoking....

Maybe the encouragement of non-smoking areas within pubs with enough
room or rooms, would enable the proprietors to establish whether their
clientele had need of such facilities.

I gave up smoking in March after 25 years on the ciggies. I have not
stopped frequenting the pubs where my friends smoke. Nor would I want to
sit in a pub without them.

The pub is a refuge for people who don't smoke at home.
The pub is a place where people meet to talk about their lives and the
life of their society.
It's a speakeasy, it's a place where you can indulge yourself and your
friends.
It's a place which provides an escape from the pressures and stresses of
life.

Why would we want to turn it into a non-smoking health spa? If that
happens, it'll only be a matter of time before they outlaw the sale of
more than 1 pint of beer or 2 125ml glasses of wine to each customer per
day. Double anythings will be a distant memory.....

Protect us from the health Nazis - please.

 

tallbloke made the world a better place for us by saying..

agreed.

Nice rant.


--
Pete M.

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Liverpool, Great Britain.

"you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead"

 

tallbloke wrote

and not many let in unaccompanied crocodiles.

 

Well I don't.

South Africa banned smoking in public places a few years back. It's an
absolute pleasure to be able to eat a meal without being smoked out.
To be able to go to a bar or pub and not have to endure the miscellanous
effects of smoke etc.

I think it's a great idea.

Opinion, it's great .

 

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Well it would be nice to return from the pub without smelling like an
ashtray. If non smoking areas were effective then I'd have no problem. I'm
an ex smoker too and plan to take up the habit again when I'm too old for it
to make any difference, but I would really like not to have to breathe in
the fumes all the time I'm in the pub. I don't try to stop my friends
smoking or anyone else for that matter. I work in a cancer centre so
stopping people smoking is not in my long term interest.


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Of all the things I have lost, it's my mind I miss the most

no mmms to reply

 

No, not agreed.

I seriously dislike going into a pub only to be confronted by a haze of
smoke. I choose not to smoke, why should smokers be allowed to force me
to? If they want to lead themselves to an unpleasant end, fine, but I'd
appreciate it if they could do it without restricting my own liberties.

Besides, what about the people who work behind the bar?


--
John

SV650
Black it is
and naked

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, dwb said:

Smoking in restaraunts, maybe. In the bar? Deffo not. There was a thing
on telly earlier about a pub that banned smoking and they lost most of
the clientel and after a while "had to get the ashtrays out again".

They had a bit round the back that was no smoking and that was a
restaraunt area.

Ban smoking in pubs? Don't make me larf.

 

Especially if it applies unequivocably to work places as well. I frigging
hate not being able to breathe properly, and after 7 years of putting up
with it (thankfully in decreasing amounts due to my protests) I've got
sinus problems.

 

jsp made the world a better place for us by saying..

but you are free to restrict theirs?

There *are* pubs with no smoking policies. If non smokers want to drink,
that's where they should go. If smokers want to drink and smoke, go to a pub
without a no smoking policy.

Most smokers won't smoke in a no smoking pub, but they also won't choose to
drink in one. If I'm out with non smokers, and I'm in a non smoking bar,
then I don't smoke. If I'm out with people who are smokers, then I don't see
why we shouldn't be allowed to smoke in a pub when a lot of the social
aspect is to smoke and drink and relax.

I'm an ex non-smoker, and I know I enjoy a night out far more if I've got a
pint in one hand and a cig in the other.
--
Pete M.

Golf Gti (For Sale)
Alfa Romeo 164 TS.
Wahey, I'm a proper petrolhead again!"
Liverpool, Great Britain.

"you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead"

 

It wouldn't be so bad if they at least had a smoking and non smoking
end/section - that was a bit better designed than simply ends of a room.
It's rather crap when you go to places that have non smoking areas, when
all that separates the two is about 10ft of turbulent air. Great idea,
not.

 

Go to a non-smoking restaurant!

Go to a non-smoking bar!

Good, Go to places which are non-smoking.

 

Restaurants, I agree with you there. Even as a smoker, I hate eating
in a smokey atmosphere.

However, I think you're missing what makes a pub a pub. And I'm not
talking about a fancy London bar, I mean a pub. Low ceilings, dark,
smokey, comfortable.

I'd hate to see it banned, not because I'm a smoker, but because I
feel it's yet more erosion of our freedom to choose what we do to our
bodies.

Interesting discussion on the Jeremy Vine show on R2 today though. He
interview the head signatory of the letter to the Time (some top
medico) and some else about it. The someone else tried to get the
medico to talk about banning hamburgers because obesity can be
attributed to them and she just couldn't see what he was getting at.

 

Have a Gorilla.

No, have one of my monkeys, they're milder.

 

Tolerant attitude - cool.

 

Non-smoking and smoking areas doesn't work.

What happens when you have, as you normally do, a mixed group of
smokers and non-smokers? As now, they'll all sit in the smoking area.

I think the best solution is to force pubs et al to put in very good
ventilation and aircon. That way you don't get smoke in the air. I
was in a place called Waxy O'Conners in Birmingham a couple of weeks
back and the pub is entirely underground. Despite it being a busy
Friday night and just about everyone smoking there was virtually no
smoke in the air because the aircon was so good.

 

Maybe the people who work behind the bar smoke.

You'll prolly find the non-smoking bar staff in non-smoking bars. Which is
also where the non-smoking drinkers should go if they don't like others
smoking near them.

 

Why should you be able to force smokers not to smoke?

They choose to work there.

 

Good if the venue can afford to fit it.

Good choice of boozer for mixed company then.

 

I think if it was a choice between that and a ban most places would
find the money.

The silly thing is, I can see if a ban is implemented, you'll get
people standing outside the front door of pubs, pint in hand, having a
smoke because they can't inside. That'll then lead to more drunken
trouble in public.

 

tallbloke wrote

What about us non drinking smokers then? No **** gives us a second
fucking thought do they. No it is all you fucking self obsessed
bleeding drinkers innit. Why should I have to put up with smelling like
a fucking brewery when I leave a pub just cos some **** doesn't smoke.

Make the fuckers smoke I say. It ought to be compulsory if you go into
a pub.