O.T. Networking Problem.

: > You can buy ram from anywhere it doesnt have to be from mac
:
: Corporate politics make it far more complex than
: it needs to be. Leasing doubly so.
:
: > Network adaptors?
:
: 802.11b/g

Why? Wire is still cheaper, faster and more secure. Plus more reliable
(what with the ever increasing number of bad installations of b/g out there
causing interference).

:
: Bluetooth.

Short range, under powered, under functional. Over marketed.

P

 

Yup, you're right.

Yup, you're right. You forgot "pretty much completely
useless".


You're preaching to the converted. Punters want b/g,
punters want bluetooth. They get it. I didn't claim that
either technology was useful. I do use b/g at home,
and it's nowhere near as crowded as slashdot would have
you think it is, but then I'm more cluefull than most of
my neighbours. (ie: I know how to google for default
SSID/username/password for *all* brands of wireless
base whassname!!!)

These days I'm mostly talking them out of Bluetooth
though. If they don't swallow the "it's useless" line,
then I show them pictures of that yagi-sniper-rifle thing
a couple of kids built for hacking phones at bus stops
from the grassy knoll and give them a quick speech about
how crap bluetooth generally is security-wise. They
usually decide that they don't really want it after
all.

G

 

does Half Life 2 play on linux?

 

Well, as long as you insist on punching yourself in the nuts
there's no real point us talking about painkillers, eh?

-----sharks

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:29:25 +1100

Yup. Like the difference between the Hyosung and the SV650. One is
much cheaper, and perfectly functional.

Apple isn't selling cheap.

Apple is selling a good looking appliance with an OS that has advantages
over MS Windows and over Linux. And disadvantages too, but the market
they are aiming at won't care too much about those really.

They are aiming at a very specific market - people who want a computer as
appliance, who are willing to spend a bit more than theyd spend at Dodgy
Sid's pawnbroker and PC shop for something that they like the look of
and will do what they want with ease. Which is a bit of web, a bit of
email (and apple's Mail ap is very good indeed), and playing with toys
like GarageBand and iPhoto. They are also aiming at the segment of this
market that has already bought a box, whether from Dodgy Sid or Dell, and
so have the kb and mouse and screen. Bought it and were frustrated with
it, or just want something that they are attracted by rather than a boring
beige box that doesn't really do the things they like all that well.

If you are a geek, or a gamer, or if price is very important to you,
then you won't like it. But they aren't bothered about not selling to
you, you aren't the ones they are after.

Zebee

 

: In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:29:25 +1100
: >

[..]

:
: They are aiming at a very specific market - people who want a computer as
: appliance, who are willing to spend a bit more than theyd spend at Dodgy
: Sid's pawnbroker and PC shop for something that they like the look of
: and will do what they want with ease. Which is a bit of web, a bit of
: email (and apple's Mail ap is very good indeed), and playing with toys
: like GarageBand and iPhoto. They are also aiming at the segment of this
: market that has already bought a box, whether from Dodgy Sid or Dell, and
: so have the kb and mouse and screen. Bought it and were frustrated with
: it, or just want something that they are attracted by rather than a boring
: beige box that doesn't really do the things they like all that well.
:
: If you are a geek, or a gamer, or if price is very important to you,
: then you won't like it. But they aren't bothered about not selling to
: you, you aren't the ones they are after.

Pretty much the segment who think that learning Microsoft Word is
'computing' but can't distinguish between Microsoft Word and Microsoft
Windows (any version).

P

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:02:18 GMT

Computer as appliance.

They don't really want to learn "computing", they want to do things.

I don't want to learn "microwaving", I want to defrost dinner....

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:29:00 +1100

Funny how they are still going, and still selling isn't it.

Perhaps. Or the non-computing friends of those owners. Or the many
people who like the iPod, and couldn't give a shit about most PC apps.

Does it? How many non-computer people do you talk to? The fact you are
on usenet means you aren't normal you know...

Try MailApp for a few weeks. The antispam, the ease of use and filing
and searching. THe stability.

Not to mention the long uptimes of the OS, the lack of lockups and so
on.

Consider also the number of people still running W98.

And how many people care about that? Gamers and geeks do. Most people
want email, wordprocessing, and web. And can do without the WP as long
as they can write 1 page letters.

Although I've seen a lot of people get hooked on the music and graphical
doodads in OSX.

*grin*

You mean IBM, whose PC division hasn't made a profit in over 3 years and
who didn't make much of one for many years before that, that IBM won?
Or do you mean Intel won? Or Microsoft who are not a HW company and who
have been leveraging off their monopoly - got by a) riding on IBM's name
and b) some very dodgy practices - and have nothing worth speaking of
except for Windows and Office, both of which are old, and losing ground?

Apple are not a computer company anymore. They are selling appliances,
and doing quite well. Be interesting to see the next few years.

Zebee

 

Security.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:20:15 +1000

Tabbed browsing.
Anti popups
extensions

Security's the biggie of course. Both vulnerability and time to fix.

I believe some bigwig in the security biz has said that attacks on
non-MS in general and linux in particular have dropped incredibly.
Because as far as the blackhats are concerned, Windows various gives
them far more bang for buck. It's just not worth spending time going
after anything else.

And sans Longhorn, that doesn't seem likely to change.

Zebee

 

Well you're certainly right that you can't compare them - they're
different processors - the GHz is like comparing RPM - while they're
fundamentally the same motor then fine saying one 4cylinder revs to
4grand and on to 10 grand is a meaningful comparison, but when you're
comparing diesels to petrols with different numbers of cylinders, it's
just nonsensical

JL

 

I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you PaulH, I'm sure it must have been
an earthshattering disappointment.

So tell me, which part of

"i suspect (tho I can't prove it off-hand) that Apple and Intel/AMD/IBM
use different types of gigahertzes, so a *cough* apples and apples
comparison isn't necessarily possible."

Isn't relevant to the comment that 1.4GHZ apple risc processor can't
reasonably be compared to a 1.4GHz Intel CISC processor because they are
fundamentally different architectures (as per the petrol / diesel simile)

You're the one who's having reading problems sunshine, it might have
been a side branch I was commenting on, but my comment was relevant to
what I commented on.

JL

 

I'm playing with an old Celeron 366 here, running WinME & 196meg Ram.

Aido.
Bikeless.

 

find a common medium , work done as a unit . now lets see ... how about
megaflops ?. or perhaps another common device which both processors use
and is cross platform ( o/s)

 

: find a common medium , work done as a unit . now lets see ... how about
: megaflops ?. or perhaps another common device which both processors use
: and is cross platform ( o/s)

The Mac afficionados have never liked doing that, because their OS spends so
many CPU cycles being pretty that they lose all the time. Windows is
getting more that way too (I always set my XP desktops for 'maximum
performance'). That style is where Linux really wins. Unfortunately it is
difficult to compare the hardware without the OS, and Linux performs better
on the same hardware then Windoze does. Macs, well, historically they used
to invent their own tests.

P

 

Shit, scary, I'm agreeing with Atec....

 

everyione gets to be right sometimes...

Moike

(except maybe Hatz)

 

and everyione gets to make typos....

 

Might run in a fullscreen DOS box (virtual 8088)...

They'd notice the lack of cutesy sounds.


Gary

 

At last, disk space problems are almost a(nother) thing of the past... I'm
starting to wonder if *all* of my skills will be obsolete before I have a
chance to retire.

Gary