NSW/SYD: banning colours

Indeed.

JL
(either you're an outlaw or you're not...)

 

In public place, sure. But a public house is not actually a public
place per se. It's a private business open to entry to those of the
public the proprietor chooses to allow in. A publican is also required
to prevent the entry (and forcibly eject) those who are intoxicated
(for example).

Already happens now, any pub or club can enforce any dress code they
want - just try to get into any of Sydney's inner city nightclubs in
the wrong clothes and see how far you get.

JL

 

Licencing laws (technically it's in the regulations). So yeah it's
kosher on that grounds - and as corks said, the above is racial
discrimination rather than refusal to allow entry based on a dress
code. Of course many nightclubs in Sydney practise a practical form of
gender and racial discrimination by refusing entry on dress code
grounds to Lebs and under 25 males generally, and if they can't make
that one stick they'll say "members only" and let through those they
want (young girlies in short dresses) and not let through those they
don't (see above).

Dress code doesn't need to be "confrontational" it can be anything the
bar wants it to be. If they say you can only get in wearing purple
spandex hotpants then that's their right.

JL

 

JL

 

Here's a URL for the story, noting that the following lines which were
posted to the MCC list (purportedly transcribed from the paper copy
are NOT in the online copy) (spell errors are transcriber's I
suspect).

http://www.parramattaadvertiser.com.au/article/2008/01/16/1370_news.html

"Members of the following bikie gangs take note you are no longer
welcome in Parramatta pubs if
you want to wear your club colours.
The pecific ban relates to groups that look intimidating or have been
linked with crime.
They are The Bandidos,The black Ulans, Coffin Cheaters,
Comancheros,Finks,Fourth Reich,
Gladiators,Gypsey Jokers,Highway 61, Life and Death, Lone Wolf,
Mobshitters, Nomads,
Odins Warriers, Outcasts,Outlaws, Phoenix and Rebels.
The ban includes anyone wearing badges, insignias or jewellery
identifying any of the above groups."

<shrug> If it *is* explicitly the listed OMCG's then it should not
impact anyone else. If it does impact the Ulysses club or HOG or
whoever then there is every reason for protest. For that matter given
it is supposedly to be written into their licence it shouldn't be too
hard to drag them in front of the licencing board or fair trading if
they start banning non OMCG members.

JL

 

In my view it is as much an attack on a minority group as the "Patch Club's"
attack upon the Ulysses members who add "Rockers" to the Ulysses logo, in
that action "Patch Clubs" demonstrated their distain for other
"Motorcyclists" and do not deserve the support of the wider body of
Motorcyclists on this issue.

Should "Patch Clubs" demand the right to wear their Colors in public surely
they should support other motorcyclists rights to get out their textacolors
and draw pretty pictures on the back of their jackets also.

Should the NSW Government want to ban "Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs" they shoul
have the guts to do it themselves rather than hide behing Pubs and Clubs.

Boxer

 

But some of the HOG lot go to such extremes to try and look like 1%ers.

No, John, it was organising a commercial boycott, as in a web page with
the names of pubs not to go to.

I have a sort of feeling that doing that has actually been made illegal.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

In Brisbane you will have trouble getting into night clubs if you are too
old, too ugly or dressed unfashionably



(Never mind, I did not like the music anyway).



Boxer

 

I concur.

Boxer

 

Or, if they want to say you can't go in wearing patch club colours,
they can already do so. No need to codify it, as such.

 

Ah! From the report

The Royal Oak's new management is hoping to "change its demographic",
according to licensee Troy Williams.

So they hope to move up market.

Funnily enough, the Royal Oak is one of the few pubs in P'matta that I
used to occasionally drink in.

I won't be doing that again.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:24:19 -0800 (PST)

The difference here is that they can call the cops. Previously they
had to do it with their own security. Now they can call the cops who
you can bet will respond with great joy to bang people up.

Having it as part of the licence gives the publican much more backup.

Zebee

 

wasnt there a big group hug at the royal oak back in 2000 , when i wantered
over in that a direction once

met a few peeps from here , from memory

 

You're missing the point. We're not talking about trendy places that
already have a recognised dress code. We're talking about your local
down the road, where the only standard re clothing is that you actually
have some on you.

This is not a standard being imposed to give pubs a certain 'character',
which is the sort of thing you are referring to in your 'examples'. This
is a new standard, that did not exist previously in the places to which
it is applied, and which has been crafted with the sole and express
purpose of deliberately excluded a class of people on the basis of their
clothing. The very fact that people are being classed according to their
clothing should be offensive enough to you, let alone the potential for
general abuse through misunderstandings etc.

 

Who deserves it? The completely innocent law-abiding motorcycle rider
who gets mistaken for a member of a patch club?

I guess respect for the rights of others doesn't mean a whole lot to
some people...

 

If you can be sure that the correct groups will be the only ones
targetted in fact (as opposed to only being targetted in intent), then
by all means. If gangs could be eliminated altogether, that would
certainly make the world a better place.

But what safeguards are in place to ensure that innocent law-abiding
riders are mistakenly lumped in with them? That's the problem that corks
et al are completely missing (or simply not giving a shit about) in
their own over-zealous rush to embrace this ill-conceived idea.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:44:09 +1100

As far as I can tell, the problem lies in the definition of outlaw
motorcycle gang, and how the boots on the ground can tell what is and
is not gang regalia.

IF the publican says "you leave" and you don't leave, then they can
call the cops.

If the publican says "you can't come in" and you argue, they can call
the cops.

Will publicans call the cops for someone in a leather jacket, or a
denim cutoff with rally badges? Only if they don't want to leave or
argue about not being let in.

The difference between this and any dress code - and I know of 2 pubs
in Adelaide that have had "no club colours or gear" rules for years -
is that they can call the cops to eject the unwanted without having to
wait for the unwanted to break things.

How will they know who is unwanted? That's the key. But what will
riders generally lose if a local pub doesn't want to let them in?

Having had it happen to me, I can say you can lose a warm fire and a
place to dry out I was very pissed off at being refused service
and told to leave for being a "bikie". Because dammit I was cold!
The licensee got a letter from the MRA-SA and apologised, he didn't
want to lose business.

How much business these pubs will lose not letting bikies in is hard
to know, they are betting "not much". How much will they lose if they
err on the side of being too wide in their interpretation? Probably
still not much. So it's win/win for them.

I'm conflicted. I've been refused service in two pubs and a restaurant
and even a caravan park for riding a motorcycle. Because they had
problems with the type of people (and in one pub's case the actual
people) who join patch clubs, and that rubbed off on me.

I can see that they want to limit the cost and time and effort in
handling the problem.

But I also want them to not refuse service to people who have done no
wrong just because they ride bikes, and it is quite possible that will
happen.

I think the MCC should go as far as asking to see the actual licence
wording, and inquire how the pubs will go about determining whether to
serve someone.

I find it hard to think banning the regalia as a way of limiting the
appeal to the 1%ers as bad. Because those people have done a lot to
make banning them sensible and they are *proud* of that. I also find
it hard to back people who bash others for wearing colours when they
themselves get consequences for wearing them.

But then no one needs to protect inoffensive speech.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:39:36 +1100

That hasn't happened in this case that we know of.

And as we don't know what criteria they are using to determine which
clubs are to be banned and what "club regalia" is, we can't tell if it
will.

In the end, what that hypothetical motorcyclist will lose is the right
to be served in that pub.

Zebee

 

How many inocent law abiding motorcyclists wear Outlaw Colors?

If the Pub Ban would upset them think of their attidude after getting
bashed by a real Outlaw Bikie for waring "Colors"

Boxer

 

They can do this already.

Boxer