NSW/SYD: banning colours

There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they
are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And
they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think
"outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs
themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such.

The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to
the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a
lobby group become involved in fighting this.

As the aus.moto delegate, I need to know what the people I'm representing
think.

Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack
on motorcyclists?

Is this liable to be a problem for non-patch motorcyclists, like "you
ride bikes and we don't want you"?

Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you
get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with,
even though you personally have done nothing wrong?

In other words, is this something the Motorcycle Council od NSW should
be involved in?

This is a Sydney (well Paramatta so far, but it will spread) thing,
but I believe other state groups are doing the same, in SA they are
talking about making it law.

So tell me aus.moto, what do you want the MCC to do in this? Oppose the
ban or not? If the MCC should support the UMC in opposition to the ban,
what form should that support take?

Zebee

 

Next thing they will be banning leather jackets

Its stupid

 

It's been done before.

AFAIK, pubs can set whatever conditions they like, wrt people not being
allowed in, subject, possibly to anti-discrimination regulations.

Fighting it how exactly?

If you publish a list of hotels that have such rules, I will quite
happily undertake to not go into them.

Can't see what else can be done.

Of course its an attack on motorcyclists.

One wonders if the H.O.G. riders will be upset if the are banned or
upset if they aren't banned. ;-)

Probably. Given that pubs and hotels have already been forced to refuse
my business anyway, 'cos I like a smoke, I'm not too concerned anyway.

It's kind of far too late to have that discussion now.

I suggest that they maintain a web-page list of pubs and hotels trying
on this policy, and folk who feel strongly enough about the topic simply
don't use those pubs.

N.B. I am slightly concerned that such action has been made illegal.
GB, JL?

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Come to think of it, some Ulysses Club members might confused too.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Does that mean the Hoteliers Association (or whatever the union for
pub owners is called) is behind it rather than the government?

Unless it's made law, I see the first pub to make a go of it getting
royally shafted in court... much as happened with the couple of pubs
that tried to keep out Lebbos and Pacific islanders.

If they get sued, they could argue dress code, that they bar entry to
persons wearing attire which could be construed as intimidating or
confrontational... at which point the aggrieved bikie's lawyer enters
into evidence video of the same bouncers letting in the bloke in the
replica Waffen SS uniform, complete with Swastika armband...

 

I'm opposed to government bans on most things (including this), but
it's a bit rich for the patch clubs to start bitching about their
rights when they are willing to bash someone for wearing rockers on
their jackets.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:07:13 +1100

The press release gives names of clubs. How it is determined what an
"outlaw motorcycle club" is, or what "club regalia" is, has not been
said.

Preumably an outlaw club is any club the police say is one, and club
regalia/insignia is anything the bouncer says it is.

I dunno if the cops would class Ulysses or Kings Cross Bikers as
"outlaws" but a bouncer might easily decide any patch is a bad patch.

The result at the moment would be not being able to go into a
particular pub. I do expect that if this is seen as successful it
will extend to other establishments. Whether that will affect other
riders there's no way to know.

Zebee

 

Bouncer ?
incorrect , please use crowd controller / Security Person in the
future thanks (wouldn't want to bruise any ones ego)

 

If a particular organisation has a proven (in court) track record of
breaking laws that might warrant such a ban, then I'm all for those
specific organisations being banned if there is a direct and demonstrate
benefit to law-abiding citizens in doing so.

However, any individual or organisation (whether or not they belong to a
patch club, and whether or not they are wearing clothing to indicate
this) should have the full rights of any other citizen to go wherever
wish in public and not be subjected to any restrictions not universally
applied to others irrespective of any club allegiances they might have.
If you have done nothing wrong, then the jacket you wear should not
preclude you from participating/attending a venue/event just like
everyone else who has also done nothing wrong.

The moment you start banning members of patch clubs who wear their
jackets, you automatically open the door for some overzealous twat to
just ban any person in a leather motorcycle jacket, just because they
think "well, he obviously rides a bike and wears leather, he must be in
a gang!". What happens when a group of friends just out for a weekend
ride pull up at a pub for lunch, and get banned "because you're
obviously riding together, you must be a gang!"?

This is an idiotic law proposed by idiots, and should be opposed.

 

Jumped-up egotistical rent-a-cops?

**** PC, whatever happened to just using commonsense?

 

can I watch while you mention this tag to one of the local protective
persons

Ran away with kruds sense of the truth

 

hmm...laugh on NG versus beating at hands of offended shaved
monkey...can I pass?

 

lets face it the "legislation" is aimed squarely at 1%érs as your
alpinestars/spidi/dainese sportbikers clad or condura wearing bimmer crowd
rarely go into pubs and start fights with the locals.

since whenever have they given a **** about anyone other than themselves
especially jappers.....and anyone who thinks are are ''brothers in arms''
with them just because they both ride bikes is playing with selves.....

**** em ...

 

If you want to be seen as a gutless twat, sure...

 

As opposed to looking like you? Sure, sounds pretty good to me!

You seem to be very unhappy lately. Did someone crap in your coco pops?

 

I don't think it has anything at all to do with "brothers in arms". I
think the cops are far too soft on gangs as it is, but such open-ended
actions are not the way to respond to it.

The problem here has nothing to do with twisted and misplaced notions of
solidarity (because I for one have no such ideas at all), but more a
recognition of the unjust and immoral nature of such attempts, and the
very real and serious risk that it will impact negatively on innocent
parties it was not intended to affect.

Forget about who it is intended to target, shouldn't the simple fact
that it is wrong be sufficient reason to oppose such actions?

 

yep that would have been racial discrimination

bullshit , i think most people would be more intimidatd by a big arsed '1%ér
, than prince harry on a night out ......

 

NO!!!!!!!

they deserve all they get .....


althought to be honest i dont think it will work anyhow....

 

Well actually (IMNSHO) it's an attack on a sub group of
motorcyclists.... the article quoted on the MCC list (I'll post a URL
when I find one shortly) indicated the ban was only of a list of 18
specified clubs displaying regalia. So OMCG members could enter the
pub provided they didn't wear colours. Same as you can visit a pub as
long as you don't smoke.

Well they're not banned (it's just 1%ers - Rebels, Gypsy Jokers,
Commies etc)

I agree - that ship sailed quite a long time ago, unwinding a decade
worth of inroads in personal freedoms needs to start with more
important issues like not being locked up without access to a lawyer
and etc
..snip

Unless I've missed something, it's perfectly legit - the pubs in
question have had a requirement put on them as part of their licencing
that they refuse entry to people wearing specified clothing and/or
"regalia" (ie colours). It's no different to the requirement to eject
smokers if they smoke, or to close their doors at a certain hour.

There's certainly nothing in the federal or state constitutions
against it, and the discrimination legislation is quite narrowly
focussed on sexual, gender or racial discrimination (as I understand
it, it was pretty hard to get sexual orientation discrimination passed
in this state, a minority who make up a far bigger slice of the
population than one-percenters do). There's nothing to say that it is
illegal to discriminate against people's ability to enter a licenced
establishment based on their clothing. If there was pretty much every
pub and nightclub in Sydney would be in trouble...

JL

 

shaved monkey ?
are you "the" continent ?