NSW aftermarket exhaust label

So...an oldie but a goodie..

Anyone recently (if you consider 17 March 2006 as recent, then since
that date) had their bike knocked back for inspection..or worse still,
been issued a fine from NSW police or RTA?

Specifically, for not having a label on the aftermarket exhaust
specifying the blah blah about decibels, manufacturer, make of bike
etc.

 

Inspections? As in annual? Who the **** has them? And what possible
purpose do they serve?

Theo

"alx" wrote

So...an oldie but a goodie..

Anyone recently (if you consider 17 March 2006 as recent, then since
that date) had their bike knocked back for inspection..or worse still,
been issued a fine from NSW police or RTA?

Specifically, for not having a label on the aftermarket exhaust
specifying the blah blah about decibels, manufacturer, make of bike
etc.

 

Nsw
And what possible

ptia cash generation for the govco

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:08:13 +1000

No, they don't generate money for anyone really.

It's one of those "safety" things. pretend you are doing something
about road safety by doing something that people who don't think for
themselves can be persuaded is keeping them safe.

Unroadworthy vehicles don't cause crashes, unroadworthy vehicle
operators do.

but fixing *that* is not something any government wants to tackle
because it means telling the general public that they don't have a
right to get behind a wheel and they are not all above average
drivers.

No votes in that.

Zebee

 

Unroadworthy vehicles don't cause crashes, unroadworthy vehicle operators
do.
I'd say thats a wide net to cast, with lots of situations where your wrong.

is that like the gun lobby saying guns dont kill people do?

 

There has been studies that show statistically vehicle roadworthyness
(new word)is very low in the causes of accidents.

As it is a undeniable fact, what is wrong with the statement?

 

By crikey lads!!
Make sure you thrash this one out, we are all waiting poised on the edge
of of our collective chairs.

Rheilly.

 

I can see the occasional exception for unexpected mechanical failure but
broadly speaking wouldn't a competant driver keep their vehicle roadworthy
or take reasonable precautions to see that a vehicle they are driving is
safe too? Personally I think that if you earn the privelige of being able
to drive a car or ride a bike some basic knowledge of the equipment should
be considered essential.

That said there are a lot of ignorant pillocks out there.

That statement on it's own is quite correct, doesn't make some of the other
arguments the gun lobby uses right though.

Like I said there are a lot of ignorant pillocks out there.

 

For a moment there I thought this was a thread about afternarket
exhausts.

My bad.

 

Hi alex.

OK, this is my understanding of the story..... it may be wrong, and I
can't quote chapter and verse, or date, for each change.

Some time ago now, the NSW authorities had a law (or possibly a rule)
that, if you had changed the exhaust system from the standard one, on
your motorcycle, the replacement exhaust had to have a label on it
specifying the make,model, manufacturer of the exhaust, and the decibels
produced.

The implication, but I dunno if it was stated anywhere, was the the
maker of the new exhaust produced this label, and fixed it to the exhaust.

As far as I know, the only folk who went through the process to
officially produce these labels was StainTune.

Also, AFAIK, they never actually sold any of those "official" labeled
exhausts, 'cos the label wasn't supposed to be fitted to an exhaust with
a removable "plug" or end piece, and nobody wanted to buy such an exhaust.

Then, the MC of NSW and various other folk realised that more or less
anybody could produce the labels, and they did.

At about the same time, the authorities, cops, EPA and RTA, realised
that enforcing a strict decibel limit wasn't actually all that practical
for at-the-side-of-the-road testing.

So, the law (or possibly rule) was changed for NSW.

As I understand it, now, if a cop, any cop, decides that a motorcycle
exhaust is too noisy, that's it..... it is too noisy.

They don't care about actual decibel readings, phase of the moon, or any
other measurable facts..... you're done.

At the time, I read the new stuff and, while I am not a lawyer, it
appeared to me that the only possible defence that you might even bother
trying in court, was...... "I bought the bike, stock standard, and have
not modified anything on it. That exhaust system is what the factory put
on the bike." That arguement may work, or may not. <shrug>

I have no idea if it has been tested in court.

About the pink slip inspection, again, AFAIK, they folk doing that
basically decide if the bike sounds excessively noise. I have never had
any pink slip inspection include any serious testing of noise output.

regards,
CrazyCam (apologies for trying to be on topic)

 

Oh, sorry, I forgot to add, some time in all this fucking about, the
ADRs were changed.

The noise limit ADR specifically.

It used to be a static test, under all sorts of specified conditions.

Then the ADR got changed to match up with the Euro spec noise test,
which is a "ride-by" noise test, again with all sorts of caveats
attached, and impossible to approximate in the real world by the side of
the Old Road.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

"F Murtz" wrote

Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. People without
guns kill people far less frequently.

OTOH, very few people get killed because of unroadworthy vehicles.

Theo

 

"Deevo" wrote

A bloke I knew many years ago had a brake failure in the hydraulics of
his EJ (pre dual system) and couldn't afford to fix it. (He could
still afford beer). He drove around for four weeks using the hand
brake as his sole means of retardation.

OTOH, the 1928 Rolls Royce weighed nearly two tonnes, could do in
excess of 90 mph, and had brakes on the rear wheels only, operated by
a cable.

Theo

 

As opposed to the throngs who die every year at the mercy of an
un-roadworthy gun <G>

N/

 

I think you will find that MANY more people
are killed by people without guns

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:00:53 +1000

But with roadworthy cars...


Zebee

 

Did he hit anyone or anything? If not it would have been more luck than
judgement. Pity he didn't write himself off on the way home from the pub.

That was a few years back, how many of these are still on the road and how
many still use the OEM brakes I wonder.

 

"Deevo" wrote

My dad has a 1927 Ford Model T, which gets driven occasionally. When
you press on the brake pedal it tightens a band around the outside of
a drum in the gearbox.

His first car, a 1952 Austin A40, had mechanically operated brakes. No
hydraulics. Only slightly less effective than bicycle brakes.

Theo

 

mechanical brakes would have been a 1949 surely , I have a 1951 van here
and it's hydraulics , their shitehouse but certainly aint mechanical

 

"atec77" wrote

Definitely mechanical. Possibly because it was a ute?

Theo