NSW: a win on the exhaust noise issue

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Zebee Johnstone, Nov 17, 2004.

  1. This came through the MCC delegates list. In essence, it looks like
    they can't fine you for "insufficient silencing" without full test rig,
    but they can still defect you.

    You can be fined for not having labelling on a post-86 bike.

    Anyone who has been fined for noise on a post-86 bike without the full
    EPA test rig being used should contact the MCC at

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    Subject: [Mcc-delegates] Exhausts - a small, but sweet win!!!


    I have just heard from Chris Turner, from the steps of Hornsby Courthouse.

    As Chairman of the Noise Committee for the Motorcycle Council of NSW, Chris
    has taken his enthusiasm for accuracy into the court to defend a fine he
    received for "inefficient silencer".

    He was pulled over by the Highway Patrol in St Ives and issued a fine for
    loud pipes, even though he had a "Can Kit". This was on the basis that the
    policeman proclaimed himself an expert on noise judgement and ignored the
    Can Kit.

    The Police prosecutor withdrew the case after Chris had cross-examined the
    policeman in the witness box. His line of questioning forced an admission
    that the policeman was not an "expert" and that to issue the fine required
    an actual noise test (Sec 160 of Roads and Traffic Regulations) and not just
    the "opinion" of the policeman on the spot.

    This is a win of significant proportions. It gets rid of the "hassling"
    tool.

    A job very well done!

    The police response to this will be interesting.

    Virtually the only response open to them is to advise the EPA of the bike
    details, so the EPA can then issue a Notice to the owner to present the bike
    for testing at Lidcombe.
    Unless the Police then decide to "discover" some other little known
    Regulation with which to hassle riders.
    The lack of a "Can Kit" type label on an aftermarket pipe will, under the
    retrospective law of Clause 19 of Regs from Protection of the Environment,
    still attract a $200 fine. Work continues on repealing Clause 19.
    But, without a roadside measurement, the fine for "cause to operate a
    vehicle with inefficient silencer" is of no value and may be safely fought.
    (the only roadside noise tests are done by EPA, so that is different game
    anyway and you are dead in the water if rounded up there, no matter what the
    Can Kit says)


    In summary,
    The motorcycle met the requirements of Clause 19.
    The Police issued a fine and Defect Notice for noisy exhausts anyway.
    The fine issued by the Police has no basis unless the bike was tested in
    accordance with the Stationary Noise Test requirements.

    There is little doubt that the Police were going to issue some sort of fine
    to Chris, just because he was a rider. The other circumstances indicate
    this.

    Guy


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    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 17, 2004
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  2. Zebee Johnstone

    Centurion Guest

    Good news :) But I don't think this will do anything for those of us
    unlucky enough to get a HWP orificer having a bad hair day who decides that
    you are guilty of making "unnecessary noise or smoke" pursuant with
    Australia Road Rule 291[1]. Then there's the whole "Protection of the
    Environment Act 2001, Noise Regulations" where they can hit you with a $220
    fine for blipping the throttle in your own back yard. (Shaddap Nev)

    [1] - 291. Making unnecessary noise or smoke
    A person must not start a vehicle, or drive a vehicle, in a way that makes
    unnecessary noise or smoke. Offence provision. Example Causing the wheels
    of the driver s vehicle to lose traction and spin on the road surface may
    make unnecessary noise or smoke. Note Other laws of this jurisdiction also
    deal with vehicles and equipment that make noise or smoke.
    (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/downloads/p18.pdf)


    James
    ZZR250==>ZX9R
     
    Centurion, Nov 17, 2004
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  3. In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:41:02 +1100
    If you want to, you can fight it. If your bike is legal then they'll
    get thrown out.

    If it's not legal then that's a lot harder, but if it's close to legal
    and you argue you were riding normally, they'd have a lot more problem.

    remember... you can be done for an illegally loud pipe one way or
    another. If you ride with one, you risk that.


    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 17, 2004
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  4. Being able to eliminate worry about getting done for loud exhaust just
    by complying with the law is a good thing all by itself.
     
    Scott Gilbert, Nov 18, 2004
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  5. Zebee Johnstone

    TB Guest

    Isn't a "test rig" just a decebel meter with a tripod (and the tape measures
    and other ancillary bits and pieces like pens and paper)?

    TB
     
    TB, Nov 19, 2004
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  6. Zebee Johnstone

    manson Guest

    Well, yes, and then again, no.

    The above listed thingies are required, but also the testing has to be
    done in a fairly clear area, without vehicles or buildings close by, and
    also without too much noise coming from surrounding traffic.

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    manson, Nov 19, 2004
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  7. Zebee Johnstone

    TB Guest

    Ahh yes.. forgot that part. Something like at least a 500m raduis flat clear
    plane wasn't it?

    TB
    trying to think back when we had the ADR guy in to test the Fireking
    vehicles..
     
    TB, Nov 19, 2004
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