[QUOTE] Are we going back to the tailpacks kill thing that Bear dragged on for what seemed like decades? It's only in the last year or so that I've started to use Roc straps and they're fine for anything I've ever wanted to strap on a bike but until then it was bungees every day and I've never had a problem with them. As long as you use loads of them they're great and a lot less likely to freeze solid than a ratchet strap. I can imagine the fun to be had when you discover the part of the strap that's been coiled up has frozen solid and you have to cut the strap.[/QUOTE] I stopped using bungees when one broke and wrapped itself around the chain sprocket. Ugly mess that was.