Norway assault vehicle 95% ready...

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by stephen.packer, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. So, after three long weekends plus a few other odd hours over the
    preceeding months I've finally got most of the XT build done.

    Pictures are here:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/8963323@N05/5381829729/in/photostream/

    Just got a few small jobs to do (fit a pannier bottle rack to carry
    spare oil and coolant, sort out snottoiler, take for a shake-down run
    when loaded).

    Plus of course I need to check my camping gear out.

    Feels like I'm close to going away...
     
    stephen.packer, Jan 23, 2011
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    Thomas Guest

    There is no SAG wagon for this adventure, is there? So, do you strap a
    set of studded tyres on the back and swap them out when the snow gets
    deep enough, or what?
     
    Thomas, Jan 24, 2011
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  3. No, we don't have a support vehicle...

    Tyres on the bike get studs wound into them when I've had enough of
    sliding all over the fucking place and falling off.

    In reality I don't think the studs will help with snow, the tyres should
    do that[1]. Where the studs apparently help is packed snow/ice on roads
    and then you just put them in the sidewalls.

    Which would have been Saturday afternoon... roads were very greasy.

    So, now I'm stressing that the mounts I made for the topbox (in
    aluminium) aren't going to hold and I really ought to have done it in
    steel. I'm sure Andy will be along shortly o agree that aluminium will
    crack under the severe weight of ten ready meals, one sleeping bag and
    maybe a camping chair.

    [1] If they haven't worn out on the motorways prior to then... however
    I'm sure you can buy 'Swedish Army Specials' in Norway...
     
    stephen.packer, Jan 24, 2011
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    Certainly looks the purposeful part.
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    Pete Fisher, Jan 24, 2011
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    SIRPip Guest

    It does, but I'd look at the angle of those massive bins: there's a
    digging-in edge there for deep snow. A leading edge kickup might
    obviate problems - and while I'm at it, a leading edge on the bashplate
    might prevent snow building up and packing between it and the front
    tyre.
     
    SIRPip, Jan 24, 2011
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  6. Holes drilled...

    So how does one go about fabricating a leading edge kick-up?

    Is this a sharp bit , angled forward designed to scoop snow up and push
    it to one side?

    Must admit I'm kind of losing the will to drill IYSWIM.

    The bit I'm puzzling about is the front wheel's 'rear mudguard'; there's
    a half a mudguard that's got small clearance and I think this is a
    clogging risk. Still snow shouldn't be as bad as mud, as long as I
    clear it last thing at night so it doesn't freeze solid.
     
    stephen.packer, Jan 24, 2011
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    Krusty Guest

    I'd lose the bashplate completely, all it'll do is make you beach
    earlier in deep snow. And I'd definitely lose the comedy rear section
    of front mudguard, or at least raise it up as far as possible without
    hitting the rad. Knobbly tyres & tyre-hugging mudguards are a recipe
    for disaster.
     
    Krusty, Jan 24, 2011
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    Krusty Guest

    It looks like there's enough room to sit the topbox on the seat &
    bungee it to the rack & panniers. Which is what I'd do (& have done on
    the Tigers), partly to get the weight forward & partly cos a backrest
    can be a wonderful thing on long trips.
     
    Krusty, Jan 24, 2011
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    Krusty Guest

    Heh. Ginge'd. It'll either clog, or the tyre will pick up a lump of ice
    & smash the mudguard, assuming it doesn't jam the wheel instead.
     
    Krusty, Jan 24, 2011
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  10. Er... I think other stuff will be on the rear of the seat. Tent and
    stuff.
     
    stephen.packer, Jan 24, 2011
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  11. Bashplate protects the fragile waterpump, exhaust headers and keeps shit
    off the engine.
     
    stephen.packer, Jan 24, 2011
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    Hog Guest

    It looks great, what type are the panners.
    I'm not being funny, I'd go for some wide front crashbars with a trailing
    section that sweeps back, like some Boxer 'bars, so you don't go down on
    your leg/knee/bodywork and going down in snow is just a little "slide" then
    leg it up again. I did this shit for years.

    Not so easy to do but some crash bars wrapping around the leading edge of
    the panniers would be cool too.

    The front mudguard thing. Our Sherco has a close fitting type, in freezing
    mud it jammed solid. Regularly.
     
    Hog, Jan 24, 2011
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    The plastic MX front mudguard on the lad's YZ85 (now replaced by a
    supermoto item) had a separate rear section with large holes drilled in
    to it. Looked like a home brewed modification, but well executed. Though
    I suspect they have been more to allow more cooling air to reach the
    rad.


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    Pete Fisher, Jan 24, 2011
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    Hog Guest

    One of these days you will have to get used to OE users
     
    Hog, Jan 24, 2011
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  15. Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 24, 2011
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  16. Steel, definitely.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 24, 2011
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    If we hit snow deep enough to dig his panniers in I for one will be
    waiting for a snow plough to clear the road.

    We're using the main route from Oslo to the north of the country and
    it's allegedly kept open all year round so my guess is that if it
    hammers down a load of snow overnight we'd only have a couple of hours
    wait for a plow to clear it. The last part of the journey on the E69
    could be a slightly different story but again, if it's deep enough to
    dig his panniers in I'll be sitting it out.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jan 24, 2011
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    SIRPip Guest

    Holes in the bashplatye? Surely they'll just fill up with snow which
    will pack down - OK, the snow in contact with hot bits will melt away,
    but I betcha it'll hang around within a cm or so.
    I was looking at the leading edge - bottom front corner - of the
    panniers. It occurred to me that in deep snow, that down-pointing
    corner might dig in, causing problems. A bashplate affixed to the
    base, with a forward projection angled up, would allow the assembly to
    "ski" over the top rather than digging in.

    They do seem to be mounted very low, so perhaps the best solution would
    be to mount them higher - with the tops more in line with the seat -
    which would give you a really nice wide and flat area to strap your
    tent to.
    I think engineering snowploughing plates is a bit beyond the original
    spec, you know. Beyond me, anyway.
    I can see that. There's a point where it becomes - well, just ENOUGH!
    I'd have that off. It won't function well in snow anyway - although
    you might want to leave it on for just wet roads. I can only refer to
    four-wheeled experience as to clogging: surprisingly, as mud is
    inehrently slippery and weighty, it just slides out and falls off,
    sometimes in lumps. Snow, otoh, once it gets beyond the flying out
    stage, sticks to itself and builds up rapidly.

    The surface of the buildup that is contacted by the tyre packs hard and
    melts a bit from the friction - then freezes and becomes very bloody
    hard. This restricts suspension travel (on a car) very successfully,
    leading initially to a feeling of "Oh, I've got a flat tyre" followed
    swiftly by "It isn't pulling very well"; "It isn't steering very well";
    "It doesn't brake worth a shit" and ultimately "Trees don't move very
    far, even when you ram them on a frozen-open throttle".

    No, I'd rip off (or be prepared to remove) anything that remains
    proximate to tyres. Every time Bonwick stops for a smoke, when
    sweller's topping his oil up and donning another pullover, you clear
    snow and ice from around your tyres - and theirs, if you're working as
    a team.
     
    SIRPip, Jan 24, 2011
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    SIRPip Guest

    few days later, incontinence.
     
    SIRPip, Jan 24, 2011
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    Nige Guest

    You going anywhere near Telemark?

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    Nige,

    'That's shot the fox'

    Eunos Roadster (for summer)
    Grand Cherokee (for winter)
     
    Nige, Jan 24, 2011
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