No warranty?

Seems like several users of this forum are happy to forget about the
rights afforded to them under the sale of goods act, if they buy a bike
from a dealer who tells them it has no warranty!

This seems an unmissable opportunity for dealers to unload any dreadful
old shite, which otherwise could only be broken for parts!

I can understand posters here not having much of a grasp of technical
matters, as motorcycle mags today dont really cover this area as they
did in the past, does seem very very strange though that there is so
little knowledge of legal rights when it comes to buying bikes!

k

 

Under sale of goods legislation (Sale of Goods Act 1979) and its subsequent
amendments, consumers are entitled to expect that any goods they buy are of
satisfactory quality. That is, that the goods meet the standard that a
reasonable person would regard as satisfactory taking into account the way
they are described, their price, and any other relevant circumstances, such
as the fact that they are second-hand or used. The Sale of Goods Act holds
true for second-hand goods as well, but takes into account that the quality
should simply be what you could reasonably expect from that product, given
its age and how much it has been used. If the goods are less than six
months old, it's up to the seller to prove they weren't faulty when you
bought them. After six months, it's up to you. Of course, this assumes that
the goods were expected to last six months.

So basically, as long as the thing is accurately described, is "fit for
purpose" (including being broken for spares) and no subsequent new problems
arise then the SOGA will not apply. If a dealer sold a bike as, say, a
"non-runner with no MOT" and "for spares only" then you would not get a free
repair under the SOGA. A few seconds of thought makes this blindingly
obvious - how do you think all those car salvage yards selling repairable
wrecks stay in business? There would be no protection if you bought a
vehicle with a known fault which had been brought to your attention at the
time of the sale. Also the SOGA does NOT provide a "warranty" - it provides
basic protection against sharp practice. For anything over 6 months old the
consumer needs to demonstrate the goods were not of satisfactory quality at
the time of sale i.e. there is no "warranty" for new problems that arise
subsequent to sale and which were not demonstrably in existence at the time
of the sale.

Bottom line - a dealer can clearly sell a bike with no "warranty" and no
come-back provided that is has been accurately described and any faults have
been brought to the buyer's attention.

 

It would seem the law is a closed book to you, as well as anything to
do with working on motorcycles.................bet shyster dealers just
love it when pricks like you come sniffing around!

k

 

Is that where you got your technical knowledge from, Einstein?

Some of us are aware of the existence of the sale of goods act, if not
the precice details, y'know.

Your constant petty sniping is getting just a tad tedious.

 

Pointing out that dealers cannot sell a bike without guarantee, is
something that I thought might be helpful for anyone that didnt know
this already.

k

 

He's a troll Pip. Nobody could be so wrong about so much without it
being intentional. Stick him where he belongs.

--
Krusty.

http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
http://www.muddystuff.us
Off-road classifieds

'02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250

 

Ken said...

But they can, and do under certain rules as laid down by the Office of
Fair Trading.

You are a tedious fuckwit who propogates mistruths and could potentially
give bad or dangerous advice to someone with little knowledge, purely to
wind the rest of us up. You really ought to drag your head out of your
arse and shut the **** up.

 

I have seen very few posts on here that suggests any of you have much
of a clue about what you are on about!

We have an off-road "expert" who talks out of his arse, and has
apparently never taken part in any competition event, there is an
authority of Triumphs, who has to pay others to rebuild a T100 (which
doesnt seem to know what its meant to be), and we have a member of the
bike trade who suggests he can get away with stitching up customers
with old shite, merely by telling them the bike has no
warranty...................seems like some very dim specimans 2 me!

k

k

 

Ken said...

Well you haven't contributed one, not one, useful post in the months
you've posted. In fact it's quite the contrary. You've done nothing but
attempt to put down every single poster and the wealth of knowledge they
posess, without once giving any clue as to what the correct course of
action should be.

What you have posted has been factually incorreect, such as the warranty
issue being discussed here. Everyone else knows the right answer, but
you stick by yours anddecry the rest.

You're just a sad old twat.

 

The message <>

He woud if people stopped taking his bait.

He lives under the bridge in my newsreader.

 

Brian said...

It's already been covered elsewhere in this thread.

 

AOfuckingL

 

The fact that all you lot seem to think what you have read in magazines
or seen on the net has more validity than many years of practical
experience, is not really my problem..................eggsuckers is a
fitting moniker for you I feel!

k

 

"Lozzo" hasnt a clue what he is talking about, and if you ask any
dealer you will find that I am quite correct in stating that its
impossible to sell a bike for road use (sold with V5), without any sort
of guarantee, merely by telling a gullible customer it has no warranty!
This of course is something that will be supported by "Lozzo's" failure
to clarify these mysterious "certain rules"..................lol

k

 

No it hasnt.............put up or admit you are a liar!

k

 

WTF do you keep replying then................you a moron maybe?

k

 

No update on your competition expererience yet
then.................wobbling around on a fucked old TL125 was
it...................lol


k

 

Ken () gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

I wonder how on earth all those Cat D and "Unrecorded" salvaged cars and
bikes with V5s manage to get sold, then?

Have a little look round
http://www.universal-salvage.com/
and see if you can spot the descriptive field "V5: Yes" on many of the
vehicles...

Some examples :

http://www.universal-auctions.co.uk/cgi-bin/osa/ViewPage.cgi?
templateName=item_form.htx&itemNumber=862814

http://www.universal-auctions.co.uk/cgi-bin/osa/ViewPage.cgi?
templateName=item_form.htx&itemNumber=862815

So are you telling me that Universal Salvage build a lot of their business
on breaking the law, then?

 

A dealer can sell virtually anything they like in any condition as long
as they describe it correctly, & it meets any needs you specify. So if
they know the engine's likely to blow the next time it's started, &
they tell you, that's good enough. The onus is then on you to decide if
you still want it.

They don't have to provide any guarantee, other than the implied one
that it meets the above criteria.

--
Krusty.

http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
http://www.muddystuff.us
Off-road classifieds

'02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250

 

He didn't reply to you, you fuckwit. And the reasons that others do is
to highlight the fact that every single post you make contains its
portion, usually close to 100%, of unmitigated bollocks which the
unwary might, if it's the first post of yours they've read, actually
take seriously.

Can anyone set up an autobot-reply, just to follow every post of
kenny's with a warning message?

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