No helmet legal for Unicycle rider?

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by CrazyCam, Jan 31, 2008.

  1. CrazyCam

    CrazyCam Guest

    Today, in Hornsby, I saw a bloke riding along on a unicycle.

    I have to admit to being very impressed.

    Anyhow, I noticed he didn't have a helmet on, but, when I thought about
    it, I expect that it is perfectly legal.

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Jan 31, 2008
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  2. In NSW, a unicycle is bundled in the same class as 'bicycles', and thus
    observe the same rights and restrictions as bicycles.

    A helmet is legally required, but it's one of those very rarely if at all
    enforced things.
     
    John Tserkezis, Jan 31, 2008
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  3. CrazyCam

    CrazyCam Guest


    It may well be bundled in with bikes in the minds of the cops, but I'd
    bet thruppence that the folk writing the rules didn't even think of
    unicycles, and, consequently, it isn't.

    The folk that write rules ain't exactly smart, otherwise they'd have
    real jobs. ;-)

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Jan 31, 2008
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  4. Ah, but it is.
    In the Australian Road Rules, in part, under "dictionary" (where the
    definitions are) Page 393:
    <http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/downloads/pts1-21.pdf>

    <quote>
    "bicycle" means a vehicle with 1 or more wheels that is built to be propelled
    by human power through a belt, chain or gears (whether or not it has an
    auxiliary motor), and:

    (a) includes a pedicab, penny-farthing, scooter, tricycle and unicycle; but

    (b) does not include a wheelchair, wheeled recreational device, wheeled toy,
    or any vehicle with an auxiliary motor capable of generating a power output
    over 200 watts (whether or not the motor is operating).
    Well, yes, but that's an entirely different story. :)
     
    John Tserkezis, Jan 31, 2008
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  5. CrazyCam

    Nev.. Guest

    So a rocket powered bicycle with no pedals is not a bicycle, but with
    pedals it is. I think this _is_ a bicycle


    Nev..
    '07 XB12X
     
    Nev.., Jan 31, 2008
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  6. Ah, but it gets stupider than that.

    The australian road rules change the definition of a vehicle depending on
    who is driving/riding it.

    If you're 12 years old or over and you're riding a scooter, you're riding a
    scooter.

    If you're UNDER 12 years old and you're riding a scooter, you're actually
    riding a "toy".

    The implications of this change drastically if the scooter in question has a
    motor that's capable of more than 200W. In that case, it's a registerable
    vehicle, that's otherwise unregistered.
    Unless of course, it's a toy. I'm glad I brought that up, it's all so much
    clearer now.
    Was that speed right? 200 and something? You'd be hard pressed to find a
    bike computer capable of that.

    Let alone the tyres.

    Shit, and I was worried about blowing tyres at 60+.
     
    John Tserkezis, Jan 31, 2008
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  7. Shaft would qualify as being driven by gears.
     
    Peter Cremasco, Jan 31, 2008
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  8. CrazyCam

    Nev.. Guest

    They're capable of measuring much faster than that. I had this one on
    my Honda over 400kph. http://www.thisstupidurl.com/sigma1.jpg

    Nev..
    '07 XB12X
     
    Nev.., Jan 31, 2008
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  9. CrazyCam

    Theo Bekkers Guest

    In WA unicycles are classed as toys, with skateboards and such, and are not
    allowed on roads.

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Jan 31, 2008
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  10. CrazyCam

    Toosmoky Guest

    What about countersteering?
     
    Toosmoky, Jan 31, 2008
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  11. I was in Perth for a couple of weeks, a few months ago, and since I was
    going to get some riding in, I thought I'd read up on their road rules.

    Two that come to mind:

    Reflectors are required by law to be installed in several locations around
    the bike, including spokes. Now really, that increases your dorkiness factor
    by 16 points alone.
    On that note, reflectors are required by law to be fit to both sides of your
    pedals. Since many/most cleats are small and as such do not have provision
    for reflectors, this effectively outlaws most of them.
    This was especially important to me, since I ONLY ever ride on cleats.

    Another was the height of the handlebars cannot be some centimetres above
    the seat. Effecively outlawing 'Dragster' style bikes.




    Nice to know that we're not the only ones with nutcases in charge.
     
    John Tserkezis, Jan 31, 2008
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  12. CrazyCam

    Theo Bekkers Guest

    I think you'll find those laws are pretty much standard around Oz, and
    pretty much ignored.
    It does, however, allow me an easy comback from those that claim that only
    motorists break the law, and all cyclists are good lawabiding citizens. :)

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Feb 1, 2008
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  13. The reflector laws perhaps, even allowing for little variances, but the
    handlebar thing? No way, that's a very specific stupid.

    My objection is if there is a law that's never otherwise enforced, then why
    not get rid of it? It's only possible use is to fine miscreants when there's
    nothing else that they've done wrong.

    Fine you say, but it also works for power hungry cops who have nothing
    better to do than piss people off.

    Whoops, what am I standing on? Ah yes, my soapbox again.
    Everybody breaks the law. And I mean that in a very literal way. You can't
    go through a day in your life without at the very least rubbing shoulders with
    some type of law.
    The whole reason society functions at all is because some of these laws are
    not enforced.

    What they DO do however, is make sure only the ones who CAN get away with
    it, DO get away with it. Commercial outfits, who have to comply, DO comply
    because they don't really have a choice. Paper trails, witnesses and thus
    liability tend to get in the way.


    And this applies in WA:

    At the end of the day, there is no such thing as the timeless classic (well,
    some people think so) as the dragster bike. If you can't sell it, it won't
    exist in any real capacity. - And again, some suit, who's wearing their ties
    too tight cutting off oxygen to their remaining four brain cells has drafted a
    law, all the while making it look like they're making society run smoothly.

    My big fat hairy arse.

    Damn soap box, it's back again.
     
    John Tserkezis, Feb 1, 2008
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  14. CrazyCam

    Theo Bekkers Guest

    Shit, I was an adult before the first dragster bicyle appeared here. So, not
    quite timeless.

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Feb 1, 2008
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  15. They made a comeback here in NSW a few years ago, and have since been
    "updated". They now carry a HUGE rear tyre, something that would be at home
    on a small motorcycle.

    And apparently, they're selling. Not like the proverbial hotcakes, but
    selling reasonably well regardless.

    I wasn't in Perth for too long, so didn't have opportunity to have a really
    good look around, but didn't see any - in bike shops or otherwise.
     
    John Tserkezis, Feb 1, 2008
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  16. CrazyCam

    Theo Bekkers Guest

    Yeah, sortof left myself open to that one.
    Nah, that was the deckie.

    Theo
     
    Theo Bekkers, Feb 1, 2008
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  17. CrazyCam

    CrazyCam Guest


    OK, I owe you thruppence. <sigh>

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Feb 1, 2008
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  18. I'm trying to envisage this, and am having lots of trouble. Any chances
    of a url to a schematic or pic, to help enlighten me?
     
    Peter Cremasco, Feb 1, 2008
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  19. CrazyCam

    BT Humble Guest

    It was horrible! I even tried riding it with my arms crossed (left
    hand on right bar, and vice versa) but it still didn't work!


    BTH
     
    BT Humble, Feb 1, 2008
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  20. CrazyCam

    Knobdoodle Guest

    So it's OK if it has no belt chain or gears then (like pretty-much every
    unicycle!!)
     
    Knobdoodle, Feb 1, 2008
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