Nitrogen shock

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by SIRPip, Jan 12, 2011.

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    ogden Guest

    up...

    I think I meant the pressure and temperature goes down and volume
    goes up.

    Point being, boyle's law doesn't mean what he thought it meant.
     
    ogden, Jan 12, 2011
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    Ivan D. Reid Guest

    Me too. I've played around enough with liquid nitrogen and liquid
    helium[2] to know what they can do. Gas, even at a high pressure, won't have
    anywhere near the effect of liquid[1], so I doubt it's frostbite.

    [1] Did get a slightly nasty burn from the gas pulling a stopper out of
    a nearly-empty LN2 dewar once, but the gas was still at -196 so it had
    a head start over a pressurised can at room temperature.

    [2] LHe is a bit weird when it burns you. LN2 first turns the skin red,
    and at higher applications causes blisters. An LHe burn is invisible once
    the ice melts; seven days later a dry blister forms and the skin falls
    off!

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    Ivan D. Reid, Jan 12, 2011
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Why? It doesn't take long to get a nasty dose of frostbite and he'd
    have probably been so shocked that he sat there watching his finger
    die. The extreme cold would have taken him by surprise he wouldn't
    have been aware of the potential consequences when he started on his
    mission.

    I've lost fingernails to frostbite after coming out of a mineshaft in
    Derbyshire when we'd been caving and it didn't actually hurt in the
    slightest bit. I knew it was going to be a bit grim when the shaft was
    almost plugged by snow about 20' from the surface but I carried on
    knocking the snow out of the way until I popped my head out into a
    maelstrom of snow. It took about 20 minutes to haul the kit up and for
    my mate to climb the ropes but by then the ropes had frozen into
    something resembling hawsers, my harnesses had frozen solid, the
    t-shirt I had on under a wetsuit was frozen and I'd had my fingers
    stick to a steel cover that needed fitting over the mineshaft.

    Kids do daft things and it's a tough lesson he's had to learn. I've
    done myself all sorts of damage over the years through making stupid
    mistakes and others will do the same as long as the opportunity
    arises. It's a hard lesson but a lot of us here have been stupid and
    probably don't even regret their actions.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jan 12, 2011
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    Yeah, like we're all shit hot when it comes to assessing different
    situations and making the right call. At least he'd got the get up and
    go to try and fix the bike himself rather than either leaving it on
    the floor or asking someone else to do the job for him.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Jan 12, 2011
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    SIRPip Guest

    Yeah, that's Paddy. Once he has the floor covered in bits, he has to
    get up and go to my mate and ask him to reassemble it for him.

    Nah, I do him a disservice. He's been assisting his old man in the
    business of lawnmower and chainsaw (or anything fiddly, with a little
    motor) servicing and repair since we was about twelve. He has a fair
    amount of nous, but I wouldn't like to be in the same forest when he's
    dropping a tree, for example.

    The time he ran up a chainsaw that was a difficult hot starter comes to
    mind - he had to get it hot first, right? So he Ramboed it into life
    and put it on their Workmate in the garden, to warm up. It would have
    been a good idea to clamp it, as was usual practice - or at least keep
    an eye on it. No, he went off for a cuppa. Next door.

    He'd probably have got away with it if he'd released the choke - but by
    the time he heard the howl, it had revved up, hit the deck, taken
    chunks out of the Workmate, the shed door and the washing-line post.
    Running in to grab it, he lost chunks of trainer, jeans leg and jacket
    sleeve (and assorted bits of skin and flesh) before he could get it
    under control.

    He wasn't popular with either parent for some time.
     
    SIRPip, Jan 12, 2011
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    <hangs head in shame>
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 12, 2011
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  7. Reggie Baker who lived down the road from me when I were a touch older
    than nowt burra lad in short keks. I don't know why but either as a dare
    or to prove how hard he was he chucked a half brick up in the air and
    headed it. Him becoming a heap on the floor was preceded by the statement
    "is that my blood?" He wasn't allowed out to play for a week and it was
    months before his mum did anything other than set the dogs on us if we
    even went near their place. The bald spot where they shaved him for the
    stitches made him something of a hero with hero worshippers of all sexes
    but we weren't really interested much in that sort of thing as how the
    scabs were flaking.

    ..
     
    steve auvache, Jan 12, 2011
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    SIRPip Guest

    I remember YTC doing the same thing, but he put a different spin on it.
     
    SIRPip, Jan 12, 2011
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    Catman Guest

    *waves*

    And as for seatbelt pre-tensioners....

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    Catman, Jan 12, 2011
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    GeoffC Guest

    That's what I thought.
     
    GeoffC, Jan 12, 2011
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    Beav Guest

    Someone probably pointed out to the sufferers that pissing on the affected
    area stops chilblains dead in their tracks. Cheap and always available.

    "I don't need no steenking ointment"
     
    Beav, Jan 12, 2011
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  12. And yet, it could have worked if he'd nutted the flat bit square on.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 12, 2011
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    Lozzo Guest

    Bah, had loads of them go bang on the bench.

    Vauxhall Tigras were the worst, you only had to jolt the seat on the
    bench and they'd go off. There was a clip you could insert in the
    pre-tensioner to stop it doing this, but the shock of the jolt used to
    make it fall out, then BANG... that's another 35 quid gone on replacing
    it.

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    Lozzo, Jan 12, 2011
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    Beav Guest

    Have you never seen how the bottom of a gas bottle (47Kg Propane bottle)
    freezes when you let gas out? There's a perfect line where the top of the
    gas is, when it's in its liquid state. Stop demanding gas and it stops
    freezing.

    Spray cans get colder when you use them too.
     
    Beav, Jan 12, 2011
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    Eiron Guest

    And your point is?
     
    Eiron, Jan 12, 2011
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  16. Wotcha.
    Not guilty.
    I've never been one for older Triumphs, but I don't think I'd try to take a
    Sprung Hub apart after hearing tales and seeing scars ;-)
     
    ^..^ Lone Wolf, Jan 13, 2011
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  17. Wotcha.
    I think the Harley manual had something similar.
     
    ^..^ Lone Wolf, Jan 13, 2011
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    geoff Guest

    Or ... adiabatic expansion
     
    geoff, Jan 13, 2011
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    geoff Guest

     
    geoff, Jan 13, 2011
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    geoff Guest


    Slowly (isothermal) or quickly (adiabatic )?
     
    geoff, Jan 13, 2011
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