Nitrogen shock

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by SIRPip, Jan 12, 2011.

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    Colin Irvine Guest

    I got a tin of genuine A&W rootbeer for Christmas. Been saving it
    until I've got the time to create an A&W-type burger to go with it.
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 12, 2011
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    The would be your combined gas law innit. Or Boyle's. Or somesuch.
     
    Simon Wilson, Jan 12, 2011
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    Eiron Guest

    Adiabatic expansion. Boyle leaves me cold though.
     
    Eiron, Jan 12, 2011
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  4. Heat extraction from the surroundings (including finger).
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 12, 2011
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    GeoffC Guest

    According to Boyle, the gas will increase in volume in inverse proportion to
    the pressure ie, 1litre of gas@ 10bar will expand to 10litres@ 1bar.
    AFAICS temperature remains the same. Or am I missing something?
     
    GeoffC, Jan 12, 2011
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  6. A tube!! Heretic! All, Hail The Tin.
     
    steve auvache, Jan 12, 2011
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    GeoffC Guest

    <googles>

    Aha, I thought I might be missing something.
    Like the compression stroke on a diesel only in reverse?
     
    GeoffC, Jan 12, 2011
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    Ace Guest

    Have you never a) discharged a CO2 fire extinguisher, b) re-filled a
    gas lighter, c) used a can of spraypaint? If so, you may have noticed
    how cold things get around the nozzle. This happens whenever a
    compressed gas expands, and is the subject of one or more gas laws I
    learnt in school.

    The opposite situation occurs when you compress a gas, and can easily
    be demonstrated by pumping up a bicycle tyre using an old-fashioned
    pump with a rubber tube, which will get very hot as you force the air
    through it (decreasing its volume).
     
    Ace, Jan 12, 2011
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    Eiron Guest

    But there's no phase change when compressed nitrogen expands so you
    don't have the latent heat of evaporation that you get in a and b above.
    And I don't think that a paint aerosol nozzle gets cold at all.
    Have you got any other examples?
     
    Eiron, Jan 12, 2011
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    ogden Guest

    According to Boyle, in a closed system then volume is inversely
    proportional to pressure _if_temperature_remains_constant_.

    In a non-closed system, with no constraints on any one variable, all
    three will change. In this case, pressure goes down, volume and
    temperature both go up.
     
    ogden, Jan 12, 2011
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    Hog Guest

    Don't you mean pressure and temperature go down and volume goes up?
     
    Hog, Jan 12, 2011
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    GeoffC Guest

    All those examples involve evaporation/sublimation and thus latent heat of
    evaporation, which I knew. I was wondering about a simple change in gas
    volume.
    I had always assmed that the venturi effect of forcing the air through the
    tube increased its velocity such that friction produced heat. The air in the
    tyre does not, after all, get significantly warmer.
    I reckon the compression stroke of a diesel is a better example, a 20:1 CR
    will raise the temp by at least 500deg C.
     
    GeoffC, Jan 12, 2011
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    GeoffC Guest

    The can itself does get colder but I hink that is due to the LPG propellant
    evaporating.
     
    GeoffC, Jan 12, 2011
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    Tosspot Guest

    I think he means pressure and temperature goes down, volume goes up...
     
    Tosspot, Jan 12, 2011
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    You can try it for yourself. With your mouth open wide breathe
    forcefully onto your hand. You'll feel a warm breeze on it. Now blow
    hard on your hand, but regulate the flow, to similar to what it was
    before, by pursing your lips. You'll find the air feels considerably
    cooler on your hand, even though the amount and velocity is the same
    as previously. The air is cooler because it is expanding as it leaves
    your mouth.
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 12, 2011
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    Eiron Guest

    That is total bollocks.
    I suggest you pierce your cheeks and insert a thermometer and manometer
    before repeating the experiment.
     
    Eiron, Jan 12, 2011
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    Eiron Guest

    Not as obvious as letting the nitrogen out of a damper, given the thread
    subject. ;-)
     
    Eiron, Jan 12, 2011
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    So what's your explanation?
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 12, 2011
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Some refrigerators work on a gas cycle, where no phase change is
    involved - simply a heat exchanger.
     
    Colin Irvine, Jan 12, 2011
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