In uk.rec.motorcycles, Cane said: [QUOTE] Forgive my lack of knowledge. It wasn't *in* Pall Mall but that was where I was coming from IYSWIM.[/QUOTE] Well Pall Mall is one way. As you enter Pall Mall you come from Trafalgar Square (ish). AFAIK, there's no traffic cameras there at all. Once your in Pall mall there are several ways you can go; up St. James's Sq - deffo no lights there, or you can go left just before you turn right to go up the hill (no cameras there) or you can actually go right up St James's st to the top by Picadilly. Now, unless I'm very much mistaken (or I've never noticed them and been lucky) there aren't any signal cameras there either. I used to regularly jump those lights and not heard a dicky bird. All my tickets were for parking and bus lane offences mostly.