NIP follow-up

follow-up to:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=&output=gplain

Today I got a letter in the post telling me that they've suspended my
driving licence because I haven't submitted it, following my
conviction.

Then I opened the letter telling me that I've been convicted of
something. It doesn't say how many points. It just says how much
money (170ukp).

So, given that they didn't tell me I'd have to go to court - do I have
some sort of redress?


What annoys me is what sneaky fuckers they were about the whole thing.
I phoned them up to ask what the speed was, and what the likely
scenario was, and the smooth-talking bitch conned me: "sign the NIP
and send it back and we'll give you a FPN". Ha! The next I knew I
had a thing saying that they'd see me in court and they'd let me know
when, and thanks for admitting it, you thick **** Mr Blaney sir.

So I wrote to the Head of the paperwork division, and copied the Chief
Constable, and explained that I was told something wholly different on
the phone, and that I had just moved abroad, so they needed to give me
time to get any letter telling me about a court date, and as they were
taking me to court despite promising not to, would they please send me
the fucking photo.

And I never heard back.

 

If you want to try and fight this yourself you could do worse than having a
look at the fightback forums on www.pepipoo.com

If you need the name of a good solicitor who specialises in these things and
works over the phone / fax send me an email and I'll give you his details.

 

A mate of mine was telling me he submitted his license to be updated to
include his recent motorcycle test pass and his change of address.

They have issued a new license, and given him 3 points and a £200 fine for
not notifying them of his change of address earlier.... nice eh!

D

 

Fucking hell!

How long did he leave it? I only sent my licence and V5 off to be
updated on Saturday. I've been here since about the middle of June.

 

Fucking hell!

How long did he leave it? I only sent my licence and V5 off to be
updated on Saturday. I've been here since about the middle of June.

about two and a half years after he moved, it's come back with his points
having six months left to run, so they must put the point on back dated,
though how they know when that was I'm not sure.

D

 

FS David, how long is it going to take you to learn to fucking post
properly? It's really not difficult, even in outpuke, to add
indentation characters, now is it?

 

I've moved a few times since passing my test. I think I left it about a
year and a half once because that's when my licence became clean again
so it would come back with no points on it and wouldn't cost me
anything.

Bit of a shitter about the fine. If your mate was 2 1/2 years then 2 1/2
months would be safe enough, I guess.

Actually, I only sent it off because I got a stop for an obscured number
plate and they were making my life a misery because they weren't
satisfied that I was who I said I was and when they did a check it came
back as my old address.

 

I'm there!

<emailed>

Cheers Tony.

 

Are you sure you are not mistaking me for someone that cares?

D

 

He's still not sure if the points are for speeding in a hire car or
something, and the fine is because they could not get in touch with him
maybe?

Who knows.

D

 

David Thomas

And why did he tell them when he moved? I got mine changed only recently,
about 5 years after I moved address.

 

Given the volume of your posting, I assumed that you wanted people to
read what you post, and would therefore GAF about posting etiquettes.

Seems I may have been mistaken, in which case you'll quite soon be
kill-file fodder.

 

Well you appeared to care that time David!
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['75 RD250A ] | ['02 Fazer 600 in blue]
_______________________________________
jeremy at hireserve dot com

 

Quite right, I take that back.

Outlook express normally puts the indent markers in for me but for some
reason it did not that time making it a git to read.

BUT, my posts aren't that bad compared with some of the crap on here are
they?

The very occasional top post due to exuberance maybe, or the odd spelling
mistake due to drunkeness I admit, but overall not too bad.

<fx>mumbles off with head down</fx>

D

 

[snip]


Replying to WC's post would have been the same for me. I think it's
something to do with this I've spotted in WC's header:
" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable"

I could be wrong, of course. I know **** all about these things.

 

How did they know?

Eighteen months ago I submitted my licence to change from paper to
photocard and update from an address 9 years old. Nothing was said.
They did remove my expired points though.

Fiona /still/ has the old old address and a paper licence; not sure
what'll happen there.

 

On my licence it has a bit to enter the date I moved. Fill that in
honestly, and it's fairly easy to spot a gap.

That said, I changed my address a few months ago (need to do it again)
after a year and a half at the new place, and the licence came back no
problem, no charge.

 

I don't understand how "they" can do this because they must have to go
through some sort of legal process to endorse a licence. At the very least
they'd have to offer you a chance to turn up in court and tell your side of
the story.

I also wasn't aware that having an out-of-date address was an endorsable
offence. I know it carries a fine, but I wasn't aware there were points
involved as well.


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The speccy Geordie twat.

 

I don't understand it either, but there they are on his license.

I reakon there is a speeding offence involved, he does use the occasional
hire car and has to provide his license for that, so say he picked up a NIP
but they could not contact him.

I do know that there was no one at his old address to forward mail.

D

 

I agree with all your points, and frankly don't believe the original
post at all. I think the clue is in the fact that the story starts
with "A mate of mine..."