[QUOTE="steve"] While I on the other hand, finding no solace in second rate substitutes, have forsaken leather entirely for cordura and thus saved my immortal soul forever. For I am no woolly minded turncoat easily swayed by the blandishments of a tight well filled tee shirt but a true believer. [/QUOTE] Last weekend I resisted a very tight very well filled tee shirt trying to sell me a helmet cover (oo-er). Might have been a different story if it was a female filling the top of it rather than a bloke filling the middle of it.