NHS & IVF

Just heard on the news that the NHS will pay for IVF treatment - at last
there is something going in my favour
I know lots of you lads think that it shouldn't be provided by the NHS, but
hopefully now I might get the chance of becoming a loving mother one day.

 

day.

That's very touching.

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this, it all depends on the circumstances I
suppose. If you just want IVF because you've left parenthood until you're
40, then I don't think it should be allowed. If there's some medical reason
preventing you having children any other way, then that's a different
matter... Mind you, speaking as a father of 3, it's very easy to avoid
looking at it from the other angle.

<RANT TONE="Angry"> It's a shame the NHS can't spend more money sorting out
the hospitals. My wife was in hospital having our third child a couple of
weeks back and I can honestly say that the place was disgusting. They need
to concentrate on bringing their existing services up to a level appropriate
for the amount of NI we all pay IMHO. For example, if you go for a walk
down a hospital corridor, you shouldn't really pick up so much dirt that the
soles of your feet turn black. </RANT>

 

In Satans twisted
little helper, spouted such drivel as:

snip

I am under 40 & sadly can't have children naturally due to health probs, so
I fit into that catagory.

snip
Congrats having another baby
I know what you mean about dirty hospitals - the last one I had to stay in
was below par, to put it politely.

 

I'm pretty much against the NHS doing IVF because I think the NHS does too
much in general and is abused.



But I would like to make the point that from an economical point of view its
better that people put off children till they're 40 then get help from the
NHS if the alternative is people having children when they're 20 then spend
the next 16 years picking up benefits and paying 0 tax.

 

In Satans twisted
little helper, spouted such drivel as:

I totally agree with you about there being too many young mothers about - I
only have to look around where I live at the moment to see how many there
are around here.
It is a different kettle of fish (or baby) for me as I am over 20 years
young. There is no point in me waiting around to see if I can conceive, as
it was clear that I need help IVF wise, after an op.

 

[snip]

But that's necessarily not the alternative. I aided my wife in production
of my first child when I was 19 and finishing my A-levels[1], and I've had 2
more since [2] (I'm now 25). I've never collected any benefits at all and I
support my family in its entirety without any dependence on the government
or other people. I've worked really hard to make this possible, doing a
degree with the OU in my spare time to increase my earning potential, whilst
working a full time job and looking after the kids [3].

If more people just got off their arses instead of doing what maybe seems
'easier' the world would be a much better place. I don't think this
attitude is age related, it's just too rare. It does however piss me off
that the government seem to make it very difficult (tax wise) for parents in
a 'traditional' setup (i.e. one works, the other looks after kids) as little
tax relief is given to the one who actually pays tax!

[1] Yes, I know, not really that smart.
[2] In more controlled circumstances
[3] Obviously with the help of my wife.

 

[snip]

Then I truly wish you the best of luck.

This seems all too common. The other problem was that we were in the 35C
heat wave when I was in hospital with my wife (she had complications), and I
was visiting her on my bike, and so I was sat in leathers; this was not fun!
It's a shame they can't afford air con for the wards, they could scarcely
manage to provide shared usage of a fan!

 

In Satans twisted little
helper, spouted such drivel as:

That really doesn't sound much fun at all, being stuck in your leathers in a
boiling hot hospital. It would be brill having air con, but I doubt that
would ever happen in this country. The best thing to do is take in your own
fan & a tv too .

 

Steve was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:

Mucho respect for that. I've got enough problems doing this with a
full time job[1] and looking after my bikes...

[1] OK, the environment I work in has a slightly different definition
of full-time job[2], but that's not really an excuse.
[2] "All your waking hours and then some" seems to be the
target. Welcome to IT...

 

Well done. It really pissed me off when my wife went to post natal clinics
and saw quite a few single mums who only got pregnant to get a flat of their
own etc. Brand new prams and everything they got. Of course I suppose it
would be difficult for the DHSS or whatever it is now to insist on
secondhand prams but when that's all I could afford it grates somewhat.


--
Malc
C90, CG125, Z250
Of all the things I have lost, it's my mind I miss the most

get me out of my tree to reply

 

I know what you mean. When I realised that I was going to have to grow up
faster than I had originally planned, I figured the 'only way' I could do
things was to get onto the housing ladder, so I bought myself the best flat
I could with my wife for us and child. Mortgage payments were crippling,
and just around the corner similar age single parents were getting nice
'houses' for no money/rent at all, with nice new appliances etc. [we
couldn't afford to live in the 'best' part of town :-0 ]

Now I think it's great that as a society we catch people that fall off the
bottom of the ladder as it gives you some reassurance should the same happen
to you. But it didn't half piss me off, epecially as our sofa came off a
skip

Mind you, this story has a happy ending because by getting on the property
ladder 5 years ago, I've actually got a house now, whereas my twin brother
still lives with my parents

 

Being a bloke doesn't help.

 

[tale of hard work] - well done Steve and Family.

How do you *know* they "got themselves pregnant to get a flat"? Did
they tell you? Or was it in the Daily Mail editorial?

Why does it grate? As a (supposedly) civilised society aren't we to
provide for these people? You don't know what their circumstances are
and whether there are genuine and potentially heart breaking stories as
to why people end up in the situations they do.

Yes there are people who cheat the system - get used to it because they
aren't going to go away.

I could, if I felt like it, rant on about how appallingly unfair society
is towards gay people, how we don't have rights that "straight" people
have, how family biased legislation entitling "straight" people to flexi
hours, m/paternity leave for half a life time etc etc etc sticks in the
back of my throat. I won't, however, because one day we'll get the
equality legislation and in the mean time I'll just beaver away, work
hard and make my contribution to help the whole of society - not just
the little bit I'd like to help if I was being a completely self centred
bastard just like Maggie wanted us all to be.

 

You should wear shoes, you pikey.

--

Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6? DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#16? FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19

 

They told me. And proud of it they were too.

 

Lol; it was my wife who picked up the dirt on her shoes when she had to get
out of her hospital bed to go down the corridor to get to the toilet. I
brought her a pair of slippers the following day, to increase her
'cool-factor'

 

It's weird - when I visited Porl at Northants Gen it was the same - no air
con, little fans and a bit warm in leathers.

But the vents were there in the roof for air con - the hospital looked
relatively modern... why have it but not turn it on?

Or is it to do with the superbug/legionnaires/nasty things that go through
air con?

 

Would it?

You're a safety nazi.

 

you implied that you were of the opinion that the hospital should have
provided air conditioning which would have made your presence there in
leathers less of an issue. But hey, I was only on a wind-up tip, don't
sweat it.

don't agree.

Safety Nazi. Personally, I haven't worn leathers on a bike for over a
month - it's too fucking hot.