NGK: DPR8EA vs. D8EA?

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Brent Evered, Apr 1, 2006.

  1. Brent Evered

    Brent Evered Guest

    My wife's 450 rebel has (and is supposed to have) DPR8EA plugs in it. They
    need replaced, and I have a big supply of D8EA plugs left over from a couple
    of other bikes I've owned but have sold. In the past, if my memory is
    holding up, I had a bike that called for D8EA in Canada, and DPR8EA in the
    US (or vice versa?).
    Any idea what the implication would be of using the D8EAs in the '86 450cc
    Honda engine? I'm not overly concerned about the R (resistor) rating; more
    the P (insulator) rating.
    \thanks for any help with this
    \brent
     
    Brent Evered, Apr 1, 2006
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  2. Brent Evered

    FB Guest

    DPR8EA is an extended tip plug that puts the flame kernel further into
    the combustion chamber where swirl and turbulence will keep the plug
    cleaner.

    The engine will be more responsive to part throttle and low speed
    running.

    But, it may run so hot that the engine pings from a glowing ground
    electrode.

    Listen for tinkling sounds that sound like a loose valve when you run
    extended tip plugs and look for the evidence of mild pinging, which
    would be black specks that look like pepper burned onto the insulator.

    If an engine is really lean and pings, you might see little silver
    balls of melted aluminum on the insulator nose as excess heat tries to
    burn a hole in the piston.

    D8EA has a shorter insulator nose that doesn't extend as far into the
    combustion chamber, it will run a little cooler and the voltage
    required to jump a gap depends upon the temperature of the firing
    points. The engine with D8EA's might feel like
    it's cold blooded and the insulator nose's carbon indications might be
    that the mixture is too lean, but richening the mixture doesn't seem to
    help much.

    That engine will run better at high RPM.
     
    FB, Apr 1, 2006
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  3. Brent Evered

    OH- Guest

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    I might be a bit confused here, but are we not talking about two
    plugs with the same heat number ?
     
    OH-, Apr 2, 2006
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  4. Brent Evered

    John Johnson Guest

    Mind, none of this answers the OP's question: is it ok to run the bike
    on the other plugs?

    Me, I'd stick with the recommended plugs. The OP could take that lot of
    unused plugs and see about selling them or perhaps swapping someone for
    the correct ones. I've heard that a shop here in town will swap NIB
    plugs if they're of a brand and designation that they keep in stock, so
    maybe the OP could try that.

    OTOH, based on what's been said here so far, if the other plugs fit,
    then they're unlikely to damage the engine though you might very well
    find that the bike doesn't perform as well. Let me say, however, that I
    really don't know what would happen because I don't have the relevant
    experience.

    --
    Later,
    John



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    John Johnson, Apr 2, 2006
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