Next years MGP prospects

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Paul B, Nov 9, 2005.

  1. Paul B

    Julian Bond Guest

    That's probably the key. The racing bikes in the late 70s were evil,
    nasty machines with way more peaky power than the frames, suspension and
    tyres could cope with. You could ride at 90% and still be on the pace so
    the guys who could ride at 95% looked like gods. The state of the art
    now is that they're all scratching to find that last 0.5%. It's so easy
    to dismiss the guys who've been finishing 5th to 10th in MotoGP this
    year, but they really haven't been that far off the pace.

    And then look at Lavilla. Just like the old transatlantic races he's
    ridden at Mallory, Oulton, Brands short circuit for the first time, just
    like they did and up against equivalent local talent. (And Oulton,
    Snetterton, Cadwell, Knockhill). It's actually been great to watch a
    rider finally get a break with a fully competitive machine and team rise
    to the challenge and be both motivated and intelligent about his racing.
     
    Julian Bond, Nov 15, 2005
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  2. Paul B

    Julian Bond Guest

    Wasn't Haga on a Yamaha two stroke as well? ISTR the last 2s race at PI
    where a whole gaggle of riders were leading including Haga and Barros
    and Vale rubbed wheels (with smoke) at 200mph.
    Watching the last few races again, I think the fastest way round the
    circuit on a MotoGP bike has converged on a mix of 250GP and SBK.
    Braking, corner entry and mid corner is all like 250. Slipper clutches,
    all the electronics and Rossi's habit of just pulling the clutch in have
    meant much higher start to mid corner speeds. Mid to exit, they're all
    standing the bike up and firing the bike out with as little wheel spin
    and sideways as possible. Again aided by loads of electronics both in
    traction control and throttle feel. The problem for the old SBK riders
    is that if they had a style of parking it mid corner and squaring it
    off, they get passed on the entry under brakes and they lose out on
    drive on the next straight because they're going slower when they start
    accelerating. There's lots of talk about how Hayden and Melandri have
    different styles and maybe last year this was true. But they look pretty
    similar now and I think this is partly how both of them have found the
    difference between finishing 7th and 1st.

    Now maybe both sides have had to learn new tricks. The 250 guys have had
    to learn how to manage rear tyre life and how to slide it under power
    just a bit. (Hence Biaggi buying a supermoto). The SBK guys have had to
    learn how to carry more speed on corner entry and mid corner and still
    get on the throttle on the exit. The end result is that both sources
    have ended in the same place with machines designed for the fastest way
    to ride them given current technology. So, I don't think it's a case of
    the Yamaha being designed for Rossi's style and Edwards having to adapt
    as much as the Yamaha being designed for the fastest lap time and
    Edwards having to learn a new trick to exploit it.
     
    Julian Bond, Nov 15, 2005
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  3. Agree with this. Makes me thinking of this old story about riders who can be
    fast with Dunlop and not with Michelin or vice-versa. I once red an
    interview of B.Bostrom saying that it was pure bullshit and that a good
    rider is able and have to adapt to any kind of rubber.
     
    pierre bonneau, Nov 15, 2005
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  4. Paul B

    sturd Guest

    Julian Bond misquotes:
    Except for Donington, Assen, Jerez, Estoril, and Suzuka
    in person and others on piece of shit US television coverage.

    Yes, the 125 guys can cut and thrust. My point was merely
    that there are places to learn aggresion besides 125GP.

    That doesn't mean because you can do it on a 600 single,
    you can still do it on a MotoGP bike, as Nicky seems to be proving.


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
     
    sturd, Nov 15, 2005
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  5. Paul B

    Julian Bond Guest

    Or, as I've tried to say, SBK style riding of stuffing it into the
    corner on the brakes, squaring the turn and firing it out just isn't the
    fastest way round a circuit any more.
    You make too much of this. It take's all of Yamaha, the team led by
    Burgess and Rossi to ride it, to achieve what Rossi has done. I never
    said it didn't.
     
    Julian Bond, Nov 15, 2005
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  6. Paul B

    pablo Guest

    I am jst now reading the latest Motociclismo issue, and the most interesting
    statement in there is from casey Stoner, who seems to be having a blast, and
    said he was surprised that the MotoGP bike was not intimidating at all. More
    powerful, but not as much brute force as he expected, and easy to ride
    inasmuch as the Aprilia he was used to being far more nervous and finicky.

    Just thought that sounded very promising. I am kind of hyped about Stoner in
    MotoG, somehow I developed the feelig he may be the hottest addition to the
    series, and I am glad it came off. Sue me if he bombs. :)

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Nov 16, 2005
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