Newbie in the UK

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Pierre, May 2, 2004.

  1. Pierre

    Pierre Guest

    Hi everyone here,

    I've been trying to find a FAQ for this newsgroup, but the one I found
    didn't answer my questions.
    As I'm going to be in the UK (London area) for the next two months, I
    decided to come with my bike because there is no way I'll take the tube.
    Also I have friends living in Coventry, so I'll pay them a visit, there
    are also nice rides I'm sure, etc.
    It's kind of new to me to ride here, I used to live in London but only
    had a scooter then - also it's quite a while so things may have changed.
    So I've got many questions regarding riding around and also things like
    bike-etiquette if there is such a thing.
    I live in Paris, and you may know that things are changing in France
    because the government decided to reduce the amount of people being
    killed on the road. So they have a new policy which is simple:
    repression. Many Speed cameras have been installed all around the
    country, and they flash you if you're above the limit by a few km/h. It
    would be fine if those were mainly used in dangerous places - but most
    of them are just here to make money. The other target of the repressive
    policy is bikes: we're portrayed as thieves, outlaws, dangerous, etc.
    Even guys like me riding BMWs... (R1100R-SE if you ask!)

    I'll post my questions as a list, feel free to answer to some of them or
    to add more advice!
    - Speed limit is 70Mph on motorways, I stuck to that (ok, 75Mph...), but
    many cars were going faster. I seemed to remember though that people
    here were respecting speed limits. Wrong? Also a lot of cars are stuck
    in the right lane (the fast one), and a lot in the slow lane: the middle
    lane is therefore empty: can I use it? Let me rephrase it: is it
    tolerated?
    - In busy traffic, when all lanes are full and slow, can I overtake
    between lanes? It's forbidden in France, but officialy tolerated in the
    Paris surroundings (as the circular road is always blocked at any time
    of day). Usually, drivers even give you space to do so - and the ones
    who don't often end up with a broken wing miror (French roads are a wild
    jungle...)
    - Central London has a charge, but it doesn't apply to bikes apparently.
    I noticed that there are much more bikes (and scooters) around than a
    few years ago, now parking is difficult. From what I remember, one
    cannot park on the pavement but I have noticed that some do anyway and
    hide their registration plate (some remove it!) not to get fined I
    suppose. Is it a legal loophole? I have a French plate, can the parking
    guys find me abroad?
    - Whilst on inner town riding: it seems that drivers don't really give a
    f**k about bikes: rare are the drivers moving to give you space. It will
    probably evolve other time as more and more two-wheels are being used.
    - Bus lanes: no-go? tolerated? Paris is enforcing a no-bikes-in-bus-lane
    strong policy... expensive.
    - Bikers in France are always greeting each other on the road (V sign
    with the left hand), here people don't do that? I realised that it would
    imply doing it with the right hand, which is problematic and dangerous!
    And mind you, that doesn't happen in Paris either (selfishness of
    Parisians, or too many bikes...)

    I'm probably forgetting many questions, but any advice is welcome!

    Grand V à tous! (cheers to everyone!).

    Pierre
     
    Pierre, May 2, 2004
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  2. Pierre

    deadmail Guest

    (Pierre) wrote in message
    Around 80-85mph is ok; as long as you're not going a lot faster than any
    other vehicles.

    Passing on the left is frowned upon, but it's often done. Best not to
    do it in front of the police unless the traffic is really heavy.

    I think this runs the risk of 'driving without due care'. Many bikes do
    it all the time, even at speed though. Again, it's probably ok... as
    long as you aren't spotted doing it.
    With a French plate you're fine. Seriously.

    With a bit of luck if you get stopped by the police they won't speak any
    French. Try to speak French to them slowly. If this fails speak English
    badly. Really badly "Excuse me I do not understand" etc. etc. With a
    bit of luck they'll get pissed off and let you go.
    Some drivers don't give a ****. others do.
    Depends on where. Some parts of the UK allow bikes in the bus lanes;
    the road signs will let you know.

    I don't think London does though.
    Signal like in France, two fingers but pointing upwards with the palm of
    your hand towards you. It means something like "Two wheels will
    overcome".
     
    deadmail, May 2, 2004
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  3. Pierre

    Porl Guest

    On the way back from Champs after that curry night with [Clique Warning]
    you, Snowy, that other guy and Thingy, me and Steve had a lovely ride back
    to Lunnun. On the way we were enthusiastically tackling the M4 when I
    noticed a weird sight in my mirrors. Steve didn't understand why I suddenly
    started riding at legal speeds but luckily Steve did the same. After a few
    miles of tailing the police car pulled passed and went on its way. I still
    to this day don't know how I managed to see this one but it's one in the eye
    for Owen and a blow for my license's fight against injustice, and that's
    what's important.
    ....and this isn't done anymore anyway. For some reason that Ken alone knows,
    presumably shoving more people onto public transport, wardens can grab a
    copper and remove the bag and issue a ticket under their supervision. I
    don't know the intricacies of the procedure but they've really clamped down
    (PI) on off-road parking. Which is, frankly, fucking irritating. Or would
    be if I didn't have a secure park area of my own.
     
    Porl, May 2, 2004
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  4. Most drivers are numbskulls and hog the outside lane. If that lane is
    going slower than the central lane then you can go past them perfectly
    legally.

    It is also possible to "undertake" in the nearside or central lane but
    you will need to take care as to how you perform this manouevre. Not
    every policeman will take kindly to what he may see as a bike passing
    from lane to lane in order to make progress.

    A friendly poster called JP may pop up to give some clear legal advice
    on this point.
    Well perhaps not at Peripherique speeds! You can legally filter between
    lanes or down the outside of a single carriageway. However you need to
    do it carefully and not too quickly or else Mr Policeman may not like
    what he sees. You should also be aware that many drivers are not very
    bike aware and can make sudden moves that place you in danger. Also if
    you are filtering and involved in an accident it is likely you will be
    judged to be partly to blame for the accident if you make an insurance
    claim.
    This link may help

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/travel/features/motorcycling/bike_map.shtml
    Don't bother parking on the pavement. Our parking wardens are now very
    efficient at ticketing bikes parked like this even if you cover the
    registration plate.

    Don't know whether the uk computers link to the French ones for reg
    plates.
    Be very careful in London. There is a big campaign to install lots of
    bus lane cameras but fixed by the roadside and on the buses. I think the
    fine is now £100 and they do issue them.

    http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/streets/blec_london_needs_buses.shtml

    There are two trial areas in London where bikes can share the bus lanes
    - the A41 in North London, the A13 in East London and the A23 in South
    London.

    http://www.transportforlondon.gov.uk/streets/motorcycle-buslane-study.shtml
    People do nod at each other or may do a small wave. It all depends on
    the conditions.
     
    Paul Corfield, May 2, 2004
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