New words

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by The Old Fogey, Dec 4, 2003.

  1. The Old Fogey

    CT Guest

    Glad I made an impression :eek:) I did have a break from here for a while
    but returned about September last year.

    Well, recently split from g/f, work is so crap at the moment that I
    sit here all day reading and posting to ukrm. On the other hand,
    I have my health[1] :eek:)

    [1] For fairly unhealthy values of...
     
    CT, Dec 4, 2003
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  2. The Old Fogey

    Manning Guest

    This is actually a well-documented phenomenon. When a colony is formed, two
    opposing forces set to work on the language. Firstly, exposure to new
    situations and experiences creates new words (or adopts them from local
    languages, which is how words like 'boomerang', 'caboose' 'safari' and
    'ketchup' entered English).

    The opposing force is a loyalty to the 'mother tongue'. It is speculated
    that when people leave the native land they become more patriotic and
    sentimental about the things from home. This can certainly be observed in
    curious facts like the observation that more forign-born descendants of
    Scotland will learn to play the bagpipes than native Scots, and St Patrick's
    Day is a national event in the USA. If this theory is true, it certainly
    explains why Afrikaans is basically 17th century Dutch, and why there are
    numerous words and usages in the English of both Australia and America that
    differ to British usage, yet these terms predate the mass-commincation era.
    The most logical explanation for this similarity is that at the time
    colonies were formed, this was how English was spoken in England. ("Trash"
    instead of "rubbish" is a classic example, the word is easily understood in
    America/Australia, but in the 1500-1700's the word 'rubbish' would have met
    with blank stares as 'trash' was the only word they knew.)

    Because the speakers in the mother land of a language don't hold these
    sentimental attachements, they are far more likely to allow the language to
    evolve naturally. There are several etymologists who believe that the
    dialect of some remote parts of North Carolina is much closer to the
    language of Queen Liz the First than anything currently spoken in the UK.

    Another side comment: The expressions "Maybe", "I guess", "to leaf through a
    book" and a "frame-up" are commonly labelled as Americanisms, but all three
    are cases where an English phrase migrated to the colony and persisted, died
    out in England and was then re-introduced to Britain in the Film/TV era.

    Cheers Manning
     
    Manning, Dec 4, 2003
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  3. The Old Fogey

    Manning Guest

    An insult? My good sir, I merely offered another piece of sincere praise for
    an English educational establishment, and then made a random observation of
    an indisputable fact.

    Methinks he doth protest too much...

    Cheers Manning
     
    Manning, Dec 4, 2003
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  4. The Old Fogey

    Manning Guest

    et toi aussi

    (note for the ignorant: that's French and it means - "and you -
    Australian?")

    Cheers Manning
     
    Manning, Dec 4, 2003
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  5. The Old Fogey

    Ben Blaney Guest

    I could explain to you the rules by which a new work enters the OED - as
    explained to me by the editor of the OED New Words edition. But I
    really can't be arsed.

    Suffice to say, "Ginge" won't be getting in.
     
    Ben Blaney, Dec 4, 2003
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  6. Look, I've not (yet) critised your use of commas; it's the
    over-use of spaces at the end of sentences that I *was*
    objecting to. You've put your case, and I've agreed to
    let it drop. Or shall I finished off my slagoffdes.perl
    script?
     
    William Grainger, Dec 4, 2003
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  7. The Old Fogey

    CT Guest

    [OED rules for new words]

    Because it's a proper noun?
     
    CT, Dec 4, 2003
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  8. The Old Fogey

    Ben Blaney Guest

    Mainly because it's not in popular usage occurring in diverse print
    media.
     
    Ben Blaney, Dec 4, 2003
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  9. The Old Fogey

    Eddie Guest

    Not much of friend, if you don't know what sex they are.
     
    Eddie, Dec 4, 2003
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  10. The Old Fogey

    darsy Guest

    NAHAY(tm)?
     
    darsy, Dec 4, 2003
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  11. The Old Fogey

    Eddie Guest

    Oh, I'm dissappointed now. I thought someone would do the "It's only a
    tranny" line.
     
    Eddie, Dec 4, 2003
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  12. The Old Fogey

    Champ Guest

    Not true. Language is a self-correcting mechanism - it does not need
    formalised rules, and I would suggest that such rules have only
    existed for a tiny fraction of the history of a tiny proportion of all
    the languages that have existed

    Language's purpose is communication - if a person changes a feature
    and they are still, or better, understodd, the change works. If not,
    it doesn't.
     
    Champ, Dec 4, 2003
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  13. The Old Fogey

    Champ Guest

    Heh. Try reading some Clive James, Germaine Greer or Robert Hughes
     
    Champ, Dec 4, 2003
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  14. The Old Fogey

    Champ Guest

    Scray stat from the late 80s - more people in the UK watched
    Neighbours every day than lived in Australia
     
    Champ, Dec 4, 2003
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  15. The Old Fogey

    Ginge Guest

    Don't watch The Crocodile Hunter, or anything with Paul Hogan in it.
     
    Ginge, Dec 4, 2003
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  16. The Old Fogey

    Ginge Guest

    Scary stat from nowadays - more people *still* watch it in the uk than
    have ever watched it in Aus.
     
    Ginge, Dec 4, 2003
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  17. The Old Fogey

    CT Guest


    *cough*
     
    CT, Dec 4, 2003
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  18. The Old Fogey

    Mark Olson Guest

    I'd pay to watch a crocodile with Paul Hogan in it.
     
    Mark Olson, Dec 4, 2003
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  19. The Old Fogey

    CT Guest

    Major Charles Ingram.

    No, just a tickly throat, dear.
     
    CT, Dec 4, 2003
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  20. The Old Fogey

    Ben Guest

    I'm watching it now.
     
    Ben, Dec 4, 2003
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